[Mkguild] Fireworks and their alternatives

Ben Kaufman kaufmabr at gmail.com
Fri Aug 22 09:23:27 EDT 2008
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As a side note mabey to go along with the idea of the iluminators guild,
they wouldnt be as powerful as whales but i thought of a different idea with
them.  HAve them Employed by the emporer of Os-Var-Khai.  Remember that the
chiniese discovered gunpowder  long before europeans. But they <as far as my
knowledge, used it in a gun form other then something like a cannon, and
even those were pretty rare. Have them be the personal entertainers for the
emporer while also giving them the ideal that a job done without magic more
spectacular. Just another idea that i thought of, it would get rid of there
"power" that i spoke of earlier and since they are employed by the emporer
her could send a couple to metamor as gifts , like he did Mong Ho, Ye and
Desuka.

Fizzie

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> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:15:47 -0400
> From: "Chris" <chrisokane at verizon.net>
> Subject: RE: [Mkguild] Clarification Re: Fireworks and their
>        alternatives
> To: "'Hallan Mirayas'" <hallanmirayas at hotmail.com>,     "'Metamor Keep'"
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:41:14 +0800
> From: "JL Badgley" <tatsushu at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Clarification Re: Fireworks and their
>        alternatives
> To: Chris <chrisokane at verizon.net>
> Cc: Hallan Mirayas <hallanmirayas at hotmail.com>, Metamor Keep
>        <mkguild at lists.integral.org>
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> On 8/22/08, Chris <chrisokane at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > I can see dragon dust being rare and expensive but one common use for it
> > might be for fireworks. The first gunpowder WAS used that way for a long
> > time before someone put it to a military use!
> >
> Perhaps the problem is that nobody should refer to 'gunpowder', as
> there are no guns, so why should there be powder for them?
> Considering that handgrenades of some sort or another go back to at
> least the 13th century, I see no problem with colorful things that go
> 'bang' in a world of alchemy and magic.  Just don't tell anyone what
> is in them.
>
> -Tatsushu
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:13:58 -0500
> From: Hallan Mirayas <hallanmirayas at hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [Mkguild] Clarification Re: Fireworks and their
>        alternatives
> To: <mkguild at lists.integral.org>
> Message-ID: <BAY122-W51CBB17F483DDDD1969C1AB56A0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"
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>
> If fireworks are decided against, then the single line where they're
> mentio=3D
> ned can be easily modified.  I know I need to get off my lazy butt and
> modi=3D
> fy Xavier's scene in "Dreams" one of these days.
>
> Hallan
>
> From: bard.michael at gmail.com
> To: mkguild at lists.integral.org
> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Clarification Re: Fireworks and their alternatives
> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:29:47 -0400
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> I should probably mention that the fireworks ARE canon, as =3D
>
> I mention them in "The Cultists Strike Back!" which is now on the archive.
>  =3D
>
> Thus canon.
>  =3D
>
> So, there had BETTER be a solution...  =3D
>
> :)
>  =3D
>
> Michael Bard
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> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:33:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ryx <sundansyr at yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [Mkguild] Clarification Re: Fireworks and their
>        alternatives
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> There are many ways to replicate the effects of 'fireworks' (and they
> wouldn't be called 'fireworks' because the 'fire' that makes them work wo=
uld
> not be so much a big part of the display).
>
> As mentioned, mages can replicate light shows in the air simply enough, b=
ut
> yes for higher ranked mages it would be seen as rather demeaning... simple
> light shows are the work of apprentice/journeymen, simple illusion work a=
nd
> nothing more.  Some higher ranked mages might find some enjoyment making
> incredibly complex skyshows, however, the way a sailor finds it enjoying =
to
> cram a ship model into a bottle.
>
> Then there is the dragonsand, which I would like to not be so common that
> it can be used for anything less than a Royal Wedding or the like, or the
> defense of the castle (consider that the 'dragonsand' mentioned in the
> Winter Assault was a catapult shot, not as the propulsive force of a cano=
n).
>
> And then there's good old coal dust.  Caused to airburst after being
> launched by a catapult, or trailed behind a flying dragon, it can be made=
 to
> burn as effectively as conventional gunpowder.  Mixed with rare-earths li=
ke
> manganeze, magnezium, iron/zink/copper oxides... can produce very colorful
> fiery streamers.  The only limit to coal dust is the lack of a kicker cha=
rge
> to disperse it prior to ignition.
>
> There are many analogues that can be used to make a light show in the sky.
>  One of the earliest limits of Metamor was 'no gunpowder' and it's been t=
hat
> way since its inception, I would prefer not to set that aside.  The
> advention of gunpowder would lead to the introduction of those things that
> gunpowder allows (and this would happen in months, as another writer saw
> gunpowder but no guns... and sought to introduce them).
>
> --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Hallan Mirayas <hallanmirayas at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Hallan Mirayas <hallanmirayas at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: RE: [Mkguild] Clarification Re: Fireworks and their alternativ=
es
> > To: mkguild at lists.integral.org
> > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 7:13 AM
> > If fireworks are decided against, then the single line where
> > they're mentioned can be easily modified.  I know I need
> > to get off my lazy butt and modify Xavier's scene in
> > "Dreams" one of these days.
> >
> > Hallan
> >
> > From: bard.michael at gmail.com
> > To: mkguild at lists.integral.org
> > Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Clarification Re: Fireworks and
> > their alternatives
> > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:29:47 -0400
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> > I should probably mention that the fireworks ARE canon, as
> > I mention them in "The Cultists Strike Back!"
> > which is now on the archive.
> > Thus canon.
> >
> > So, there had BETTER be a solution...
> > :)
> >
> > Michael Bard
> >
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