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        this to help with out little discussion.<br>
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        yup
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                  <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span
                        style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
                    Andrew Vineyard <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dimensional42@gmail.com"><dimensional42@gmail.com></a><br>
                    <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
                    Ryx <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sundansyr@yahoo.com"><sundansyr@yahoo.com></a> <br>
                    <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                    Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:09 PM<br>
                    <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                    Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem<br>
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                      <div class="yiv5634832986moz-cite-prefix">Ah. Need
                        someone to forward it to the mailing list?<br>
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                        On 7/30/2013 7:29 PM, Ryx wrote:<br>
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                        <div>No, it did not reply-all from my phone. </div>
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                          <div style="font-size:75%;color:#575757;">Sent
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                        -------- Original message --------<br>
                        From: Andrew Vineyard <a rel="nofollow"
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                          ymailto="mailto:dimensional42@gmail.com"
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                        Date: 07/30/2013 6:56 PM (GMT-06:00) <br>
                        To: Ryx <a rel="nofollow"
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                          ymailto="mailto:sundansyr@yahoo.com"
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                          href="mailto:sundansyr@yahoo.com"><sundansyr@yahoo.com></a>
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                        Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem <br>
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                        <div class="yiv5634832986moz-cite-prefix">Was
                          this sent to the mkguild mail list too? I
                          didn't see it there.<br>
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                          On 7/30/2013 6:13 PM, Ryx wrote:<br>
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                          <div>Considering dragons are very real in MK,
                            and Nasoj is not currently allied with any
                            nor has any in his service adopting a dragon
                            on his heraldry might attract undue
                            attention from dragons not pleased at his
                            arrogance.</div>
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                          <div>I propose something of a different, more
                            mystical, nature.  Either a wyvern
                            (identifiable as such by the scorpion
                            stinger on the tail), or more fantasic still
                            in the form of a three-headed chimeric beast
                            similar to griffon heraldry of old.</div>
                          <div>Each head would signify a different
                            auspice:  corporeal power, divine or
                            infernal power (Ba'al's sole nod on the
                            heraldry), and arcane power.  Secondary
                            heraldric symbols might be used as well to
                            denote Nasoj's House, which is pretty much
                            that exact symbol since whatever the Dark
                            Keep was before his ascension has been
                            effectively wiped out entirely.</div>
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                          <div>Nasoj would not be foolish enough to put
                            a daedric symbol directly on his kingdom's
                            heraldry as that would incur the wrath of
                            every other daedric lord and their mortal
                            faithful - such as Lom (beholden to Lilith)
                            both outside of his borders as trade
                            partners and nominal allies and those powers
                            within who would strive to cast ba'al
                            worship down in favor of their god.</div>
                          <div>By having that separation Nasoj can play
                            dieific politics much more easily.</div>
                          <div>It also keeps aedric faithful off of his
                            doorstep... more or less.</div>
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                          -------- Original message --------<br>
                          From: Andrew Vineyard <a rel="nofollow"
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                            ymailto="mailto:dimensional42@gmail.com"
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                            href="mailto:dimensional42@gmail.com"><dimensional42@gmail.com></a>
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                          Date: 07/30/2013 5:37 PM (GMT-06:00) <br>
                          To: <a rel="nofollow"
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                          Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem <br>
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                          <div class="yiv5634832986moz-cite-prefix">Dragons
                            are awesome and cool. Thing is they are a
                            symbol of power. Those who use it tend to be
                            those who believe they are all powerful.
                            Probably powerful enough to actually command
                            dragons. Most of them usually end up
                            learning they aren't all that powerful when
                            they meet a dragon in person.<br>
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                            The only other time a dragon is used as a
                            symbol is if it's bestowed upon you. Usually
                            like a gift from a dragon, saying that your
                            allowed to use their image. In short, it's
                            like you've been accepted into their family
                            or under their protection. So if they allow
                            you, it's a great honor. If you do it
                            yourself, it can be seen as an insult to
                            some of them.<br>
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                            On 7/30/2013 3:41 PM, Ian Jones wrote:<br>
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                            <div dir="ltr"><span
                                style="font-family:arial,
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                                like dragons.  I know too many nice
                                dragons to throw them in with Nasoj!</span><br>
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                              <div class="yiv5634832986gmail_quote"> On
                                Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Narwhal
                                KillerNarwhal <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                    somebody decides...</div>
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                                    <div class="yiv5634832986im">On Jul
                                      29, 2013 1:27 PM, "christian
                                      okane" <<a rel="nofollow"
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                                              we ever give Nasoj an
                                              emblem or heraldic device?</div>
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