<html> <body> I do not at all like the idea of incorporating Metamor Keep's curses into Nasoj's heraldry and I seriously doubt he would do so. Why in the world would Nasoj want to use symbols of his own defeat, twice now, in his heraldry? Secondly, his heraldry and source of power in the Giantdowns would predate the curses of Metamor. I think the recommendations that Ryx made make more sense than anything else I have read. I will quote it here again because it is worth reminding folks: "I propose something of a different, more mystical, nature. Either a wyvern (identifiable as such by the scorpion stinger on the tail), or more fantasic still in the form of a three-headed chimeric beast similar to griffon heraldry of old. Each head would signify a different auspice: corporeal power, divine or infernal power (Ba'al's sole nod on the heraldry), and arcane power. Secondary heraldric symbols might be used as well to denote Nasoj's House, which is pretty much that exact symbol since whatever the Dark Keep was before his ascension has been effectively wiped out entirely." The purpose of Nasoj's heraldry is to show his power and dominion that he can better rally the Lutin tribes and humans living in that part of the world. He an not do that if his heraldry is also a symbol of his defeat. May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love, Charles Matthias At 02:21 PM 8/5/2013, Andrew Vineyard wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Don't you mean a crib, a paw print, and possibly the transgender symbol? Looks like the male and female symbol joined together, overlapping at the circle. On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Mark L. <<a href="mailto:nighthawkmal2@gmail.com">nighthawkmal2@gmail.com</a> > wrote: <dl> <dd> I love the red and black. What about three towers. One with a crib on <dd>it another one with a pawprint and a third with a walking stick </dl></blockquote></body> </html>