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<DIV>While I agree that adding the three curses into his heraldry seems odd and
would signify a great deal of foresight on Nasoj’s part because surely he
would’ve made his banner before attacking the keep to begin with nevermind the
fact that the curses hindered him more than they helped him.</DIV>
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<DIV>However, rather than throwing out everything previously mentioned let’s
find some base to start from. Instead of focussing on symbolism let’s settle on
something basic like the colours the thing would have.</DIV>
<DIV>Right now we have a positive opinion on red and black colouring courtesy of
Misha. Do we all agree with this?</DIV>
<DIV>If yes/no please give some reasoning for that.</DIV>
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<DIV>Beyond that. Considering the sparse information on Nasoj in the wiki,
giving no info on family or the like, beyond a mention that he overthrew
the Sorth Republic around +500CR. Would he have started from scratch or have
taken that banner and have it twisted into his own design?</DIV>
<DIV>I wonder what images lutins and/or humans in the Giantdowns would consider
symbols of power and stability. Does anyone have any ideas on that? Remember,
there are no wrong ideas.</DIV>
<DIV>And please, let us work together to put together the thousand words to
create this image rather than overloading our artists with flights of individual
fancy.</DIV>
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<DIV><EM>Keep your head in the clouds, and your feet on the ground.</EM></DIV>
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<DIV>Leo M. Panther
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jagille3@vt.edu
href="mailto:jagille3@vt.edu">C. Matthias</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 05, 2013 10:37 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=mkguild@lists.integral.org
href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none; DISPLAY: inline">I
do not at all like the idea of incorporating Metamor Keep's curses into Nasoj's
heraldry and I seriously doubt he would do so. Why in the world would
Nasoj want to use symbols of his own <B>defeat, twice now</B>, in his
heraldry? Secondly, his heraldry and source of power in the Giantdowns
would predate the curses of Metamor.<BR><BR>I think the recommendations that Ryx
made make more sense than anything else I have read. I will quote it here
again because it is worth reminding folks:<BR><BR>"I propose something of a
different, more mystical, nature. Either a wyvern (identifiable as such by
the scorpion stinger on the tail), or more fantasic still in the form of a
three-headed chimeric beast similar to griffon heraldry of old. Each head
would signify a different auspice: corporeal power, divine or infernal
power (Ba'al's sole nod on the heraldry), and arcane power. Secondary
heraldric symbols might be used as well to denote Nasoj's House, which is pretty
much that exact symbol since whatever the Dark Keep was before his ascension has
been effectively wiped out entirely."<BR><BR>The purpose of Nasoj's heraldry is
to show his power and dominion that he can better rally the Lutin tribes and
humans living in that part of the world. He an not do that if his heraldry
is also a symbol of his defeat.<BR><BR>May He bless you and keep you in His
grace and love,<BR><BR>Charles Matthias<BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>