<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>And why would Nasoj want to represent his empire with decay and rust? Remember, the heraldry we are discussing was chosen by Nasoj, not his enemies. It needs to exude power and menace, absolute control both through mundane force of arms and magical strength.</div><div>A beast would represent this best as was used through history with lions and raptors and fanciful creatures like dragons and griffons.</div><div>Also, bear in mind that some forms may very well utilize magic in the form of illusions and sound that could be used to spread awe and fear. Nothing would impress more than an actual dragon (illusion) borne at the vanguard by the standardbearer. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:75%;color:#575757">Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone</div></div><br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: christian okane <chrisokane@optimum.net> <br>Date: 08/07/2013 1:42 AM (GMT-06:00) <br>To: 'christian okane' <chrisokane@optimum.net>,"'C. Matthias'" <jagille3@vt.edu>,mkguild@lists.integral.org <br>Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem <br> <br><br><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Another idea just pointed out to me by a friend - instead of red and black how about Dark Orange and Greenish brown - to represent decay and rust.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org [mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>christian okane<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 06, 2013 3:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'C. Matthias'; mkguild@lists.integral.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I agree with Matt on the one point. Nasoj seems to me to be the type to go for the mystical and especially the Grandiose. He is the type to pick something to show off how powerful he is.. And remember this emblem would have been picked decades before the 3 Gates battle happened.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a> [<a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>C. Matthias<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 05, 2013 4:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I do not at all like the idea of incorporating Metamor Keep's curses into Nasoj's heraldry and I seriously doubt he would do so. Why in the world would Nasoj want to use symbols of his own <b>defeat, twice now</b>, in his heraldry? Secondly, his heraldry and source of power in the Giantdowns would predate the curses of Metamor.<br><br>I think the recommendations that Ryx made make more sense than anything else I have read. I will quote it here again because it is worth reminding folks:<br><br>"I propose something of a different, more mystical, nature. Either a wyvern (identifiable as such by the scorpion stinger on the tail), or more fantasic still in the form of a three-headed chimeric beast similar to griffon heraldry of old. Each head would signify a different auspice: corporeal power, divine or infernal power (Ba'al's sole nod on the heraldry), and arcane power. Secondary heraldric symbols might be used as well to denote Nasoj's House, which is pretty much that exact symbol since whatever the Dark Keep was before his ascension has been effectively wiped out entirely."<br><br>The purpose of Nasoj's heraldry is to show his power and dominion that he can better rally the Lutin tribes and humans living in that part of the world. He an not do that if his heraldry is also a symbol of his defeat.<br><br>May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love,<br><br>Charles Matthias<br><br>At 02:21 PM 8/5/2013, Andrew Vineyard wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Don't you mean a crib, a paw print, and possibly the transgender symbol? Looks like the male and female symbol joined together, overlapping at the circle.<br><br><br>On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Mark L. <<a href="mailto:nighthawkmal2@gmail.com">nighthawkmal2@gmail.com</a> > wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> I love the red and black. What about three towers. One with a crib on<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">it another one with a pawprint and a third with a walking stick<o:p></o:p></p></div></body>