<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Works for me.<br>White Dragon (signifying the glacial realm in which Nasoj's power rests and the dominant beasts that reside in the Death Mountains), Black field for the long night that claims it, Crown of seven spires (for the seven Daedra) in red (a color of power), surrounded by a circle of five points (magical construct, NOT pentacle).<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> christian okane <chrisokane@optimum.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> 'christian okane' <chrisokane@optimum.net>; 'Ryx' <sundansyr@yahoo.com>; 'C. Matthias' <jagille3@vt.edu>; mkguild@lists.integral.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:19 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv2446669823"><style></style><div><div class="yiv2446669823WordSection1"><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Here is an idea I am thinking of using. A dragon in the center surrounded by some Daedric symbol with a gold crown above it. The rest in black and red.</span></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Comments before I decide?</span></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Chris</span></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">The lurking Fox</span></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";"> mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org [mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>christian okane<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 12, 2013 1:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'christian okane'; 'Ryx'; 'C. Matthias'; mkguild@lists.integral.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Any other comments on this? Any ideas?</span></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Chris</span></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">The Lurking Fox</span></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";"> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a> [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>christian okane<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 08, 2013 1:46 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Ryx'; 'C. Matthias'; <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">All right let me restate this another way. The Dark orange and Green brown would be the colors used but the decay and rust part would be subtle clues to the readers about Nasoj. He might choose those colors just because he liked them or they looked cool to him.</span></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">I do see his emblem being grandiose and overly complex. Him showing off.</span></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";"> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a> [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ryx<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> christian okane; 'C. Matthias'; <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"> </div><div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal">And why would Nasoj want to represent his empire with decay and rust? Remember, the heraldry we are discussing was chosen by Nasoj, not his enemies. It needs to exude power and menace, absolute control both through mundane force of arms and magical strength.</div></div><div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal">A beast would represent this best as was used through history with lions and raptors and fanciful creatures like dragons and griffons.</div></div><div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal">Also, bear in mind that some forms may very well utilize magic in the form of illusions and sound that could be used to spread awe and fear. Nothing would impress more than an actual dragon (illusion) borne at the vanguard by the standardbearer. </div></div><div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"> </div></div><div><div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#575757;">Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: christian okane <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:chrisokane@optimum.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:chrisokane@optimum.net">chrisokane@optimum.net</a>> <br>Date: 08/07/2013 1:42 AM (GMT-06:00) <br>To: 'christian okane' <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:chrisokane@optimum.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:chrisokane@optimum.net">chrisokane@optimum.net</a>>,"'C. Matthias'" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jagille3@vt.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:jagille3@vt.edu">jagille3@vt.edu</a>>,mkguild@lists.integral.org <br>Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem </div><div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Another idea just pointed out to me by a friend - instead of red and black how about Dark Orange and Greenish brown - to represent decay and rust.</span></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";"> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a> [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>christian okane<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 06, 2013 3:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'C. Matthias'; <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal" style=""> </div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">I agree with Matt on the one point. Nasoj seems to me to be the type to go for the mystical and especially the Grandiose. He is the type to pick something to show off how powerful he is.. And remember this emblem would have been picked decades before the 3 Gates battle happened.</span></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";"> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a> [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>C. Matthias<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 05, 2013 4:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal" style=""> </div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;">I do not at all like the idea of incorporating Metamor Keep's curses into Nasoj's heraldry and I seriously doubt he would do so. Why in the world would Nasoj want to use symbols of his own <b>defeat, twice now</b>, in his heraldry? Secondly, his heraldry and source of power in the Giantdowns would predate the curses of Metamor.<br><br>I think the recommendations that Ryx made make more sense than anything else I have read. I will quote it here again because it is worth reminding folks:<br><br>"I propose something of a different, more mystical, nature. Either a wyvern (identifiable as such by the scorpion stinger on the tail), or more fantasic still in the form of a three-headed chimeric beast similar to griffon heraldry of old. Each head would signify a different auspice: corporeal power, divine or infernal power (Ba'al's sole nod on the heraldry), and arcane power. Secondary heraldric symbols might be used as well to denote Nasoj's House, which is pretty much that exact symbol since whatever the Dark Keep was before his ascension has been effectively wiped out entirely."<br><br>The purpose of Nasoj's heraldry is to show his power and dominion that he can better rally the Lutin tribes and humans living in that part of the world. He an not do that if his heraldry is also a symbol of his defeat.<br><br>May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love,<br><br>Charles Matthias<br><br>At 02:21 PM 8/5/2013, Andrew Vineyard wrote:</div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal" style="">Don't you mean a crib, a paw print, and possibly the transgender symbol? Looks like the male and female symbol joined together, overlapping at the circle.<br><br><br>On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Mark L. <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nighthawkmal2@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:nighthawkmal2@gmail.com">nighthawkmal2@gmail.com</a> > wrote:</div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;"> I love the red and black. What about three towers. One with a crib on</div><div class="yiv2446669823MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;">it another one with a pawprint and a third with a walking stick</div></div></div></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </blockquote></div> </div></body></html>