<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1>Any more comments? Or this will be the final decision.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Chris<o:p></o:p>The Lurking Fox<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>From: mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org [mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of christian okane Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 1:23 PM To: kyle.vernon@gmail.com; mkguild@lists.integral.org Subject: Re: [Mkguild] MKGuild Digest, Vol 77, Issue 14<o:p></o:p></div></div><o:p> </o:p>I was thinking of A red field with a black (or white) dragon in the center surrounded by 7 stars (or something) to represent the Daedra and a gold crown on top.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>From: <a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a> [<a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a>] On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:kyle.vernon@gmail.com">kyle.vernon@gmail.com</a> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 2:25 PM To: <a href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] MKGuild Digest, Vol 77, Issue 14<o:p></o:p></div><o:p> </o:p><div>I think this has definitely been said. But in no way should the curses be apart of his emblem, Nasoj had been around for a long time before the curses and nothing says "Don't Take Me Seriously As A Threat" than an emblem that just screams "Just remember, we're the army that gets beaten by Women and Children on a regular basis."<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p><div>On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:53 AM, <<a href="mailto:mkguild-request@lists.integral.org" target="_blank">mkguild-request@lists.integral.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p>Send MKGuild mailing list submissions to <a href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <a href="http://lists.integral.org/listinfo/mkguild" target="_blank">http://lists.integral.org/listinfo/mkguild</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <a href="mailto:mkguild-request@lists.integral.org">mkguild-request@lists.integral.org</a> You can reach the person managing the list at <a href="mailto:mkguild-owner@lists.integral.org">mkguild-owner@lists.integral.org</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of MKGuild digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Nasoj's emblem (christian okane) 2. Re: Nasoj's emblem (Ryx) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:19:19 -0400 From: christian okane <<a href="mailto:chrisokane@optimum.net">chrisokane@optimum.net</a>> To: 'christian okane' <<a href="mailto:chrisokane@optimum.net">chrisokane@optimum.net</a>>, 'Ryx' <<a href="mailto:sundansyr@yahoo.com">sundansyr@yahoo.com</a>>, "'C. Matthias'" <<a href="mailto:jagille3@vt.edu">jagille3@vt.edu</a>>, <a href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem Message-ID: <001b01ce9912$69d4ae10$3d7e0a30$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Here is an idea I am thinking of using. A dragon in the center surrounded by some Daedric symbol with a gold crown above it. The rest in black and red. Comments before I decide? Chris The lurking Fox From: <a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a>] On Behalf Of christian okane Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 1:20 AM To: 'christian okane'; 'Ryx'; 'C. Matthias'; <a href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem Any other comments on this? Any ideas? Chris The Lurking Fox From: <a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a>] On Behalf Of christian okane Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 1:46 PM To: 'Ryx'; 'C. Matthias'; <a href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem All right let me restate this another way. The Dark orange and Green brown would be the colors used but the decay and rust part would be subtle clues to the readers about Nasoj. He might choose those colors just because he liked them or they looked cool to him. I do see his emblem being grandiose and overly complex. Him showing off. From: <a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a>] On Behalf Of Ryx Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:06 PM To: christian okane; 'C. Matthias'; <a href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem And why would Nasoj want to represent his empire with decay and rust? Remember, the heraldry we are discussing was chosen by Nasoj, not his enemies. It needs to exude power and menace, absolute control both through mundane force of arms and magical strength. A beast would represent this best as was used through history with lions and raptors and fanciful creatures like dragons and griffons. Also, bear in mind that some forms may very well utilize magic in the form of illusions and sound that could be used to spread awe and fear. Nothing would impress more than an actual dragon (illusion) borne at the vanguard by the standardbearer. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: christian okane <<a href="mailto:chrisokane@optimum.net">chrisokane@optimum.net</a>> Date: 08/07/2013 1:42 AM (GMT-06:00) To: 'christian okane' <<a href="mailto:chrisokane@optimum.net">chrisokane@optimum.net</a>>,"'C. Matthias'" <<a href="mailto:jagille3@vt.edu">jagille3@vt.edu</a>>,<a href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem Another idea just pointed out to me by a friend - instead of red and black how about Dark Orange and Greenish brown - to represent decay and rust. From: <a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a>] On Behalf Of christian okane Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 3:34 PM To: 'C. Matthias'; <a href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem I agree with Matt on the one point. Nasoj seems to me to be the type to go for the mystical and especially the Grandiose. He is the type to pick something to show off how powerful he is.. And remember this emblem would have been picked decades before the 3 Gates battle happened. From: <a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a>] On Behalf Of C. Matthias Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 4:37 PM To: <a href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem I do not at all like the idea of incorporating Metamor Keep's curses into Nasoj's heraldry and I seriously doubt he would do so. Why in the world would Nasoj want to use symbols of his own defeat, twice now, in his heraldry? Secondly, his heraldry and source of power in the Giantdowns would predate the curses of Metamor. I think the recommendations that Ryx made make more sense than anything else I have read. I will quote it here again because it is worth reminding folks: "I propose something of a different, more mystical, nature. Either a wyvern (identifiable as such by the scorpion stinger on the tail), or more fantasic still in the form of a three-headed chimeric beast similar to griffon heraldry of old. Each head would signify a different auspice: corporeal power, divine or infernal power (Ba'al's sole nod on the heraldry), and arcane power. Secondary heraldric symbols might be used as well to denote Nasoj's House, which is pretty much that exact symbol since whatever the Dark Keep was before his ascension has been effectively wiped out entirely." The purpose of Nasoj's heraldry is to show his power and dominion that he can better rally the Lutin tribes and humans living in that part of the world. He an not do that if his heraldry is also a symbol of his defeat. May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love, Charles Matthias At 02:21 PM 8/5/2013, Andrew Vineyard wrote: Don't you mean a crib, a paw print, and possibly the transgender symbol? Looks like the male and female symbol joined together, overlapping at the circle. On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Mark L. <<a href="mailto:nighthawkmal2@gmail.com">nighthawkmal2@gmail.com</a> > wrote: I love the red and black. What about three towers. One with a crib on it another one with a pawprint and a third with a walking stick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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White Dragon (signifying the glacial realm in which Nasoj's power rests and the dominant beasts that reside in the Death Mountains), Black field for the long night that claims it, Crown of seven spires (for the seven Daedra) in red (a color of power), surrounded by a circle of five points (magical construct, NOT pentacle). >________________________________ > From: christian okane <<a href="mailto:chrisokane@optimum.net">chrisokane@optimum.net</a>> >To: 'christian okane' <<a href="mailto:chrisokane@optimum.net">chrisokane@optimum.net</a>>; 'Ryx' <<a href="mailto:sundansyr@yahoo.com">sundansyr@yahoo.com</a>>; 'C. Matthias' <<a href="mailto:jagille3@vt.edu">jagille3@vt.edu</a>>; <a href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a> >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:19 PM >Subject: RE: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem > > > >Here is an idea I am thinking of using. A dragon in the center surrounded by some Daedric symbol with a gold crown above it. The rest in black and red. >? >Comments before I decide? >? >Chris >The lurking Fox >? >? >? ><a href="mailto:From%3Amkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">From:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a>] On Behalf Of christian okane >Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 1:20 AM >To: 'christian okane'; 'Ryx'; 'C. Matthias'; <a href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a> >Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem >? >Any other comments on this? Any ideas? >? >Chris >The Lurking Fox >? ><a href="mailto:From%3Amkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">From:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a>] On Behalf Of christian okane >Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 1:46 PM >To: 'Ryx'; 'C. Matthias'; <a href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a> >Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem >? >All right let me restate this another way. The Dark orange and Green brown would be the colors used but the decay and rust part would be subtle clues to the readers about Nasoj. ?He might choose those colors just because he liked them or they looked cool to him. >? >I do see his emblem being grandiose and overly complex. ?Him showing off. >? ><a href="mailto:From%3Amkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">From:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a>] On Behalf Of Ryx >Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:06 PM >To: christian okane; 'C. Matthias'; <a href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a> >Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem >? >And why would Nasoj want to represent his empire with decay and rust? ?Remember, the heraldry we are discussing was chosen by Nasoj, not his enemies. ?It needs to exude power and menace, absolute control both through mundane force of arms and magical strength. >A beast would represent this best as was used through history with lions and raptors and fanciful creatures like dragons and griffons. >Also, bear in mind that some forms may very well utilize magic in the form of illusions and sound that could be used to spread awe and fear. ?Nothing would impress more than an actual dragon (illusion) borne at the vanguard by the standardbearer.? >? >? >Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > > > >-------- Original message -------- >From: christian okane <<a href="mailto:chrisokane@optimum.net">chrisokane@optimum.net</a>> >Date: 08/07/2013 1:42 AM (GMT-06:00) >To: 'christian okane' <<a href="mailto:chrisokane@optimum.net">chrisokane@optimum.net</a>>,"'C. Matthias'" <<a href="mailto:jagille3@vt.edu">jagille3@vt.edu</a>>,<a href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a> >Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem >Another idea just pointed out to me by a friend - instead of red and black how about Dark Orange and Greenish brown? - to represent decay and rust. >? ><a href="mailto:From%3Amkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">From:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a>] On Behalf Of christian okane >Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 3:34 PM >To: 'C. Matthias'; <a href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a> >Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem >? >I agree with Matt on the one point. Nasoj seems to me to be the type to go for the mystical and especially the Grandiose.? He is the type to pick something to show off how powerful he is.. And remember this emblem would have been picked decades before the 3 Gates battle happened. >? ><a href="mailto:From%3Amkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">From:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a>] On Behalf Of C. Matthias >Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 4:37 PM >To: <a href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a> >Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem >? >I do not at all like the idea of incorporating Metamor Keep's curses into Nasoj's heraldry and I seriously doubt he would do so.? Why in the world would Nasoj want to use symbols of his own defeat, twice now, in his heraldry?? Secondly, his heraldry and source of power in the Giantdowns would predate the curses of Metamor. > >I think the recommendations that Ryx made make more sense than anything else I have read.? I will quote it here again because it is worth reminding folks: > >"I propose something of a different, more mystical, nature.? Either a wyvern (identifiable as such by the scorpion stinger on the tail), or more fantasic still in the form of a three-headed chimeric beast similar to griffon heraldry of old.? Each head would signify a different auspice:? corporeal power, divine or infernal power (Ba'al's sole nod on the heraldry), and arcane power.? Secondary heraldric symbols might be used as well to denote Nasoj's House, which is pretty much that exact symbol since whatever the Dark Keep was before his ascension has been effectively wiped out entirely." > >The purpose of Nasoj's heraldry is to show his power and dominion that he can better rally the Lutin tribes and humans living in that part of the world.? He an not do that if his heraldry is also a symbol of his defeat. > >May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love, > >Charles Matthias > >At 02:21 PM 8/5/2013, Andrew Vineyard wrote: >Don't you mean a crib, a paw print, and possibly the transgender symbol? Looks like the male and female symbol joined together, overlapping at the circle. > > >On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Mark L. <<a href="mailto:nighthawkmal2@gmail.com">nighthawkmal2@gmail.com</a> > wrote: >?I love the red and black. What about three towers. One with a crib on >it?? another one with a pawprint and a third with a walking stick > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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