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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As a note please stop responding to Jacks email with the whole content intact - its hitting the 80K limit for email size. And i have to manually release the email. I'm headed to work so it will be 13 hours before its released.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> So delete some old text first.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> The Lurking Fox<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org [mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>christian okane<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 18, 2015 2:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Alex Green'<br><b>Cc:</b> mkguild@lists.integral.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mkguild] MKGuild Digest, Vol 100, Issue 20<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I understand!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Every so often the List engine will go off on a rampage and suspend a lot of people for bounces. Then I have to go in and unsuspend them. But if anyone gets suspended or quits I get a notice. I'll keep a close eye on those notices.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Not sure what to do about Yahoo.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> The Lurking Fox<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Alex Green [<a href="mailto:alexsurikat@gmail.com">mailto:alexsurikat@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 18, 2015 1:53 PM<br><b>To:</b> christian okane<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mkguild] MKGuild Digest, Vol 100, Issue 20<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I sent the following email earlier; although it looks like I forgot to hit reply all and only sent it to jack. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Alex Green <<a href="mailto:alexsurikat@gmail.com" target="_blank">alexsurikat@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Get a different email address for posting. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The problem lies with Yahoo (and some other email providers). I know from experience Gmail works fine. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The other option is for everyone else to get a Gmail address and set up filters to keep emails from the problem providers from ending up in the spam folder. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yahoo has implemented some features that break most mailing lists and asks other providers to do the same. Basically, they ask other providers to bounce (return as undeliverable) emails with a yahoo address that were sent from servers other than Yahoo's (like the mailing list server). Some email providers have complied and even implemented a similar system. Gmail just marks them as spam. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The problem with bouncing emails is that the recipient never knows an email was even sent, and the mailing list software unsubscribes people for too many bounced emails. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I've already explained this a couple of times on the TSA-talk list, but I don't think I ever did here. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Anyway, at some point in the future, I'll get around to reading, and hopefully commenting on, your latest stories (as lately I've been too depressed/busy to do so). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hope this helps,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-AlexSurikat<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-AlexSurikat <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:48 PM, christian okane <<a href="mailto:chrisokane@optimum.net" target="_blank">chrisokane@optimum.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I'm not sure. The list engine has always been odd. Perhaps being sure to send the email in plain text format.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Anyone with ideas?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> The Lurking Fox</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org" target="_blank">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org" target="_blank">mkguild-bounces@lists.integral.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jack Moore<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 18, 2015 9:05 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org" target="_blank">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mkguild] MKGuild Digest, Vol 100, Issue 20</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Is their anything I can do so people can read it? </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Saturday, July 18, 2015 8:32 AM, "<a href="mailto:mkguild-request@lists.integral.org" target="_blank">mkguild-request@lists.integral.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:mkguild-request@lists.integral.org" target="_blank">mkguild-request@lists.integral.org</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Send MKGuild mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:mkguild@lists.integral.org" target="_blank">mkguild@lists.integral.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://lists.integral.org/listinfo/mkguild" target="_blank">http://lists.integral.org/listinfo/mkguild</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:mkguild-request@lists.integral.org" target="_blank">mkguild-request@lists.integral.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:mkguild-owner@lists.integral.org" target="_blank">mkguild-owner@lists.integral.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of MKGuild digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. 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