<div dir="ltr"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial"><font size="2">>Thats a cool looking airship! We are willing to fudge the facts so long as you do not take it too far. Perhaps keeping it a bit simply at first</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial"><font size="2"><br></font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial"><font size="2">*nods* </font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial"><font size="2"><br></font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial"><font size="2">>There is no protocol but its best to run things by me first if you are not sure or post to the mailing list and MK wiki.</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial"><font size="2"><br></font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial"><font size="2">Okay, I'll work on some things and post them here first.</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial"><font size="2"><br></font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial"><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>Well, those images are not entirely practical in the given era - certainly not the sausage shaped air bags or toting entire ships into the sky. And they would have to find a prodigious source of silk or similar material - that's all that would be fine enough to be sealed and light enough to loft (that I know of).<br>You should look more toward early American Civil War attempts at recon balloons. They were not terribly large and still tethered to the ground but would give some idea of early lighter than air craft. Given a decade to work it out I'm sure the mages' guild and/or Murikeer could figure out how to make heavy things light enough to float, but certainly not fly.</div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>I am somewhat averse to certain anachronisms, much to the chagrin of past MK writers, and this one toes the line... so the less 'advanced' it is, the better. Though, granted, with magic the 'basket' could be more akin to a small ship's cabin though barely so. Enough for perhaps three somewhat small and light weight creatures, ostensibly one of them avian (?). Some of the weight could be reduced with magic, enough to get the thing airborn, so it would not plummet if it entered areas where magic was cancelled - it would simply loose loft over time. Mind you, the cancellation of magic in Yesulam is gradual so that would prevent a catastrophic failure even if the craft was held aloft entirely by magic.</div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Well, this is why I'm asking first. I don't want to thread too far and if it won't work, it won't work and I'll figure out something else. Just because something looks cool or seems like a good idea doesn't mean it'll work. My idea might work for the future MK (1000+) but not the present one.</div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>Also, it would be held aloft by heat rather than rare gasses. That would be easily supplied by enchanted pyrocks (which are advanced apprentice enchanter objects, not exactly 'rare' aside from Guild market control demanding that the bulk of them be dis-enchanted rather than sold) created by anyone willing to take on the task. One large enough, utilizing a very large flawless crystal of quartz or similar material (or a hefty chunk of mithril) would require more work to make usable by non-magic inclined operators. It could be replaced with a perfectly normal (and far less efficient) fire should they become stranded where magic failed.</div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">A rudimentary airbag would not have a relief valve at the top, so its loft would be controlled by manipulating the heat source.</div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Okay. I really appreciate the feedback! I know in real life the balloon is 'controlled' by making it rise to where a given air current is blowing, though exact control is impossible. There also needs to be a ground crew.</div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>Also, supplies would be a *very major* concern, since weight is all important and supplies add considerable weight. Anything metal would have to be replaced with hardened (magically perhaps) wood or bone to save weight as well.</div></div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">This is true too, though I suppose hunting would theoretically be possible. All the same, it's beginning to sound like some other idea would be better for a special twentieth anniversary story.</div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">-Indy</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 1:21 AM, Ryx <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Sundansyr@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Sundansyr@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
<div><br></div><div>Well, those images are not entirely practical in the given era - certainly not the sausage shaped air bags or toting entire ships into the sky. And they would have to find a prodigious source of silk or similar material - that's all that would be fine enough to be sealed and light enough to loft (that I know of).<br>You should look more toward early American Civil War attempts at recon balloons. They were not terribly large and still tethered to the ground but would give some idea of early lighter than air craft. Given a decade to work it out I'm sure the mages' guild and/or Murikeer could figure out how to make heavy things light enough to float, but certainly not fly.</div><div><br></div><div>I am somewhat averse to certain anachronisms, much to the chagrin of past MK writers, and this one toes the line... so the less 'advanced' it is, the better. Though, granted, with magic the 'basket' could be more akin to a small ship's cabin though barely so. Enough for perhaps three somewhat small and light weight creatures, ostensibly one of them avian (?). Some of the weight could be reduced with magic, enough to get the thing airborn, so it would not plummet if it entered areas where magic was cancelled - it would simply loose loft over time. Mind you, the cancellation of magic in Yesulam is gradual so that would prevent a catastrophic failure even if the craft was held aloft entirely by magic.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, it would be held aloft by heat rather than rare gasses. That would be easily supplied by enchanted pyrocks (which are advanced apprentice enchanter objects, not exactly 'rare' aside from Guild market control demanding that the bulk of them be dis-enchanted rather than sold) created by anyone willing to take on the task. One large enough, utilizing a very large flawless crystal of quartz or similar material (or a hefty chunk of mithril) would require more work to make usable by non-magic inclined operators. It could be replaced with a perfectly normal (and far less efficient) fire should they become stranded where magic failed.</div><div>A rudimentary airbag would not have a relief valve at the top, so its loft would be controlled by manipulating the heat source.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, supplies would be a *very major* concern, since weight is all important and supplies add considerable weight. Anything metal would have to be replaced with hardened (magically perhaps) wood or bone to save weight as well.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Ryx.</div>
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On Sunday, November 19, 2017, 10:55:35 PM EST, Indagare . <<a href="mailto:brenner.mike@gmail.com" target="_blank">brenner.mike@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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</div></div><div><div><div class="h5"><div id="m_-7246657139038709580yiv9807578068"><div dir="ltr">I'm trying to figure out the logistics - how much should be based on actual science and how much folks here would be willing to have 'fudged' to allow the story to happen. One thing I particularly wanted was for it to fly without magic - so if it happens to cross over a magically dead area it won't immediately crash (though there could be other issues). I was looking up airships and came across a couple interesting ones:<div><br></div><div><a rel="nofollow" href="https://bgoodscience.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/year-2000-05.jpg?w=540" target="_blank">https://bgoodscience.files.<wbr>wordpress.com/2011/06/year-<wbr>2000-05.jpg?w=540</a> </div><div><a rel="nofollow" href="https://us.123rf.com/450wm/shamain/shamain1701/shamain170100012/71106243-fantasy-steampunk-airship.jpg?ver=6" target="_blank">https://us.123rf.com/450wm/<wbr>shamain/shamain1701/<wbr>shamain170100012/71106243-<wbr>fantasy-steampunk-airship.jpg?<wbr>ver=6</a><br></div><div><a rel="nofollow" href="https://cdn.pixabay.com/photo/2015/12/28/13/31/hot-air-balloon-1111356_960_720.png" target="_blank">https://cdn.pixabay.com/photo/<wbr>2015/12/28/13/31/hot-air-<wbr>balloon-1111356_960_720.png</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Would everyone be okay with something like one of these existing?</div><div><br></div><div>Also, I was planning to do some work on Fan Shoar and Irombi - is there a particular protocol for introducing new areas?</div><div><br></div><div>-Indy</div></div></div></div></div><span class="">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>MKGuild mailing list<br><a href="mailto:MKGuild@lists.integral.org" target="_blank">MKGuild@lists.integral.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.integral.org/listinfo/mkguild" target="_blank">http://lists.integral.org/<wbr>listinfo/mkguild</a><br></span></div>
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