[Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem

[Michael Olson]

I note that the page for lutins states that Nasoj initially gained much of
his influence with them through his skill in fire magics, which are not
natural among the lutins.  Though it also states they lost a great deal of
confidence after seeing how easily the Keepers were able to counter it
themselves.

I don't know of something flame-based would have made it into the symbolism
beforehand, or if it would have been changed afterward in light of the
failure.  Just food for thought.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Azariah Wolf <azariahwolf at gmail.com> wrote:

>  I'm still a fan of the idea of a snarling predator over Ba'al's
> pentagram symbol.  To meet it represents Nasoj's aggression and desire to
> rule, as well as his underlying allegiance to Ba'al.  I agree with Matt
> that the Curse should not be present on the banner as it is both recent
> (Nasoj has lived over 200 years, and the Curse happened in the last ten),
> and a major defeat.  As for using lutins, ogres, or some other manner of
> Giantdowns creatures on the banner, I'm not sure Nasoj would give them that
> much credit.  He strikes me as egotistical enough to take credit for all
> successes, and putting his erstwhile allies on the banner seems to
> undermine that.  I think it needs to be simple, having one major symbol for
> Nasoj on it, and include some reference to Ba'al.
>
> -LurkingWolf
>
>
> On 8/5/2013 7:30 PM, Leo M Panther aka M vd Mosselaar wrote:
>
>  While I agree that adding the three curses into his heraldry seems odd
> and would signify a great deal of foresight on Nasoj’s part because surely
> he would’ve made his banner before attacking the keep to begin with
> nevermind the fact that the curses hindered him more than they helped him.
>
> However, rather than throwing out everything previously mentioned let’s
> find some base to start from. Instead of focussing on symbolism let’s
> settle on something basic like the colours the thing would have.
> Right now we have a positive opinion on red and black colouring courtesy
> of Misha. Do we all agree with this?
> If yes/no please give some reasoning for that.
>
> Beyond that. Considering the sparse information on Nasoj in the wiki,
> giving no info on family or the like, beyond  a mention that he overthrew
> the Sorth Republic around +500CR. Would he have started from scratch or
> have taken that banner and have it twisted into his own design?
> I wonder what images lutins and/or humans in the Giantdowns would consider
> symbols of power and stability. Does anyone have any ideas on that?
> Remember, there are no wrong ideas.
> And please, let us work together to put together the thousand words to
> create this image rather than overloading our artists with flights of
> individual fancy.
>
> *Keep your head in the clouds, and your feet on the ground.*
>
> Leo M. Panther
>  *From:* C. Matthias <jagille3 at vt.edu>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 05, 2013 10:37 PM
> *To:* mkguild at lists.integral.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
>
>  I do not at all like the idea of incorporating Metamor Keep's curses
> into Nasoj's heraldry and I seriously doubt he would do so.  Why in the
> world would Nasoj want to use symbols of his own *defeat, twice now*, in
> his heraldry?  Secondly, his heraldry and source of power in the Giantdowns
> would predate the curses of Metamor.
>
> I think the recommendations that Ryx made make more sense than anything
> else I have read.  I will quote it here again because it is worth reminding
> folks:
>
> "I propose something of a different, more mystical, nature.  Either a
> wyvern (identifiable as such by the scorpion stinger on the tail), or more
> fantasic still in the form of a three-headed chimeric beast similar to
> griffon heraldry of old.  Each head would signify a different auspice:
> corporeal power, divine or infernal power (Ba'al's sole nod on the
> heraldry), and arcane power.  Secondary heraldric symbols might be used as
> well to denote Nasoj's House, which is pretty much that exact symbol since
> whatever the Dark Keep was before his ascension has been effectively wiped
> out entirely."
>
> The purpose of Nasoj's heraldry is to show his power and dominion that he
> can better rally the Lutin tribes and humans living in that part of the
> world.  He an not do that if his heraldry is also a symbol of his defeat.
>
> May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love,
>
> Charles Matthias
>
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