[Mkguild] MKGuild Digest, Vol 77, Issue 14

[kyle.vernon at gmail.com]

I think this has definitely been said. But in no way should the curses be
apart of his emblem, Nasoj had been around for a long time before the
curses and nothing says "Don't Take Me Seriously As A Threat" than an
emblem that just screams "Just remember, we're the army that gets beaten by
Women and Children on a regular basis."


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>    1. Re: Nasoj's emblem (christian okane)
>    2. Re: Nasoj's emblem (Ryx)
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> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:19:19 -0400
> From: christian okane <chrisokane at optimum.net>
> To: 'christian okane' <chrisokane at optimum.net>, 'Ryx'
>         <sundansyr at yahoo.com>, "'C. Matthias'" <jagille3 at vt.edu>,
>         mkguild at lists.integral.org
> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
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> Here is an idea I am thinking of using. A dragon in the center surrounded
> by some Daedric symbol with a gold crown above it. The rest in black and
> red.
>
>
>
> Comments before I decide?
>
>
>
> Chris
>
> The lurking Fox
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org [mailto:
> mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of christian okane
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 1:20 AM
> To: 'christian okane'; 'Ryx'; 'C. Matthias'; mkguild at lists.integral.org
> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
>
>
>
> Any other comments on this? Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Chris
>
> The Lurking Fox
>
>
>
> From: mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org [mailto:
> mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of christian okane
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 1:46 PM
> To: 'Ryx'; 'C. Matthias'; mkguild at lists.integral.org
> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
>
>
>
> All right let me restate this another way. The Dark orange and Green brown
> would be the colors used but the decay and rust part would be subtle clues
> to the readers about Nasoj.  He might choose those colors just because he
> liked them or they looked cool to him.
>
>
>
> I do see his emblem being grandiose and overly complex.  Him showing off.
>
>
>
> From: mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org [mailto:
> mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of Ryx
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:06 PM
> To: christian okane; 'C. Matthias'; mkguild at lists.integral.org
> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
>
>
>
> And why would Nasoj want to represent his empire with decay and rust?
>  Remember, the heraldry we are discussing was chosen by Nasoj, not his
> enemies.  It needs to exude power and menace, absolute control both through
> mundane force of arms and magical strength.
>
> A beast would represent this best as was used through history with lions
> and raptors and fanciful creatures like dragons and griffons.
>
> Also, bear in mind that some forms may very well utilize magic in the form
> of illusions and sound that could be used to spread awe and fear.  Nothing
> would impress more than an actual dragon (illusion) borne at the vanguard
> by the standardbearer.
>
>
>
>
>
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: christian okane <chrisokane at optimum.net>
> Date: 08/07/2013 1:42 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: 'christian okane' <chrisokane at optimum.net>,"'C. Matthias'" <
> jagille3 at vt.edu>,mkguild at lists.integral.org
> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
>
> Another idea just pointed out to me by a friend - instead of red and black
> how about Dark Orange and Greenish brown  - to represent decay and rust.
>
>
>
> From: mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org [mailto:
> mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of christian okane
> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 3:34 PM
> To: 'C. Matthias'; mkguild at lists.integral.org
> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
>
>
>
> I agree with Matt on the one point. Nasoj seems to me to be the type to go
> for the mystical and especially the Grandiose.  He is the type to pick
> something to show off how powerful he is.. And remember this emblem would
> have been picked decades before the 3 Gates battle happened.
>
>
>
> From: mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org [mailto:
> mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of C. Matthias
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 4:37 PM
> To: mkguild at lists.integral.org
> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
>
>
>
> I do not at all like the idea of incorporating Metamor Keep's curses into
> Nasoj's heraldry and I seriously doubt he would do so.  Why in the world
> would Nasoj want to use symbols of his own defeat, twice now, in his
> heraldry?  Secondly, his heraldry and source of power in the Giantdowns
> would predate the curses of Metamor.
>
> I think the recommendations that Ryx made make more sense than anything
> else I have read.  I will quote it here again because it is worth reminding
> folks:
>
> "I propose something of a different, more mystical, nature.  Either a
> wyvern (identifiable as such by the scorpion stinger on the tail), or more
> fantasic still in the form of a three-headed chimeric beast similar to
> griffon heraldry of old.  Each head would signify a different auspice:
>  corporeal power, divine or infernal power (Ba'al's sole nod on the
> heraldry), and arcane power.  Secondary heraldric symbols might be used as
> well to denote Nasoj's House, which is pretty much that exact symbol since
> whatever the Dark Keep was before his ascension has been effectively wiped
> out entirely."
>
> The purpose of Nasoj's heraldry is to show his power and dominion that he
> can better rally the Lutin tribes and humans living in that part of the
> world.  He an not do that if his heraldry is also a symbol of his defeat.
>
> May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love,
>
> Charles Matthias
>
> At 02:21 PM 8/5/2013, Andrew Vineyard wrote:
>
> Don't you mean a crib, a paw print, and possibly the transgender symbol?
> Looks like the male and female symbol joined together, overlapping at the
> circle.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Mark L. <nighthawkmal2 at gmail.com > wrote:
>
>  I love the red and black. What about three towers. One with a crib on
>
> it   another one with a pawprint and a third with a walking stick
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> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 04:39:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ryx <sundansyr at yahoo.com>
> To: christian okane <chrisokane at optimum.net>, "'C. Matthias'"
>         <jagille3 at vt.edu>, "mkguild at lists.integral.org"
>         <mkguild at lists.integral.org>
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> Works for me.
> White Dragon (signifying the glacial realm in which Nasoj's power rests
> and the dominant beasts that reside in the Death Mountains), Black field
> for the long night that claims it, Crown of seven spires (for the seven
> Daedra) in red (a color of power), surrounded by a circle of five points
> (magical construct, NOT pentacle).
>
>
>
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From: christian okane <chrisokane at optimum.net>
> >To: 'christian okane' <chrisokane at optimum.net>; 'Ryx' <
> sundansyr at yahoo.com>; 'C. Matthias' <jagille3 at vt.edu>;
> mkguild at lists.integral.org
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:19 PM
> >Subject: RE: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
> >
> >
> >
> >Here is an idea I am thinking of using. A dragon in the center surrounded
> by some Daedric symbol with a gold crown above it. The rest in black and
> red.
> >?
> >Comments before I decide?
> >?
> >Chris
> >The lurking Fox
> >?
> >?
> >?
> >From:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org [mailto:
> mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of christian okane
> >Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 1:20 AM
> >To: 'christian okane'; 'Ryx'; 'C. Matthias'; mkguild at lists.integral.org
> >Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
> >?
> >Any other comments on this? Any ideas?
> >?
> >Chris
> >The Lurking Fox
> >?
> >From:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org [mailto:
> mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of christian okane
> >Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 1:46 PM
> >To: 'Ryx'; 'C. Matthias'; mkguild at lists.integral.org
> >Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
> >?
> >All right let me restate this another way. The Dark orange and Green
> brown would be the colors used but the decay and rust part would be subtle
> clues to the readers about Nasoj. ?He might choose those colors just
> because he liked them or they looked cool to him.
> >?
> >I do see his emblem being grandiose and overly complex. ?Him showing off.
> >?
> >From:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org [mailto:
> mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of Ryx
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:06 PM
> >To: christian okane; 'C. Matthias'; mkguild at lists.integral.org
> >Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
> >?
> >And why would Nasoj want to represent his empire with decay and rust?
> ?Remember, the heraldry we are discussing was chosen by Nasoj, not his
> enemies. ?It needs to exude power and menace, absolute control both through
> mundane force of arms and magical strength.
> >A beast would represent this best as was used through history with lions
> and raptors and fanciful creatures like dragons and griffons.
> >Also, bear in mind that some forms may very well utilize magic in the
> form of illusions and sound that could be used to spread awe and fear.
> ?Nothing would impress more than an actual dragon (illusion) borne at the
> vanguard by the standardbearer.?
> >?
> >?
> >Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> >
> >
> >
> >-------- Original message --------
> >From: christian okane <chrisokane at optimum.net>
> >Date: 08/07/2013 1:42 AM (GMT-06:00)
> >To: 'christian okane' <chrisokane at optimum.net>,"'C. Matthias'" <
> jagille3 at vt.edu>,mkguild at lists.integral.org
> >Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
> >Another idea just pointed out to me by a friend - instead of red and
> black how about Dark Orange and Greenish brown? - to represent decay and
> rust.
> >?
> >From:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org [mailto:
> mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of christian okane
> >Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 3:34 PM
> >To: 'C. Matthias'; mkguild at lists.integral.org
> >Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
> >?
> >I agree with Matt on the one point. Nasoj seems to me to be the type to
> go for the mystical and especially the Grandiose.? He is the type to pick
> something to show off how powerful he is.. And remember this emblem would
> have been picked decades before the 3 Gates battle happened.
> >?
> >From:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org [mailto:
> mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of C. Matthias
> >Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 4:37 PM
> >To: mkguild at lists.integral.org
> >Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
> >?
> >I do not at all like the idea of incorporating Metamor Keep's curses into
> Nasoj's heraldry and I seriously doubt he would do so.? Why in the world
> would Nasoj want to use symbols of his own defeat, twice now, in his
> heraldry?? Secondly, his heraldry and source of power in the Giantdowns
> would predate the curses of Metamor.
> >
> >I think the recommendations that Ryx made make more sense than anything
> else I have read.? I will quote it here again because it is worth reminding
> folks:
> >
> >"I propose something of a different, more mystical, nature.? Either a
> wyvern (identifiable as such by the scorpion stinger on the tail), or more
> fantasic still in the form of a three-headed chimeric beast similar to
> griffon heraldry of old.? Each head would signify a different auspice:?
> corporeal power, divine or infernal power (Ba'al's sole nod on the
> heraldry), and arcane power.? Secondary heraldric symbols might be used as
> well to denote Nasoj's House, which is pretty much that exact symbol since
> whatever the Dark Keep was before his ascension has been effectively wiped
> out entirely."
> >
> >The purpose of Nasoj's heraldry is to show his power and dominion that he
> can better rally the Lutin tribes and humans living in that part of the
> world.? He an not do that if his heraldry is also a symbol of his defeat.
> >
> >May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love,
> >
> >Charles Matthias
> >
> >At 02:21 PM 8/5/2013, Andrew Vineyard wrote:
> >Don't you mean a crib, a paw print, and possibly the transgender symbol?
> Looks like the male and female symbol joined together, overlapping at the
> circle.
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Mark L. <nighthawkmal2 at gmail.com >
> wrote:
> >?I love the red and black. What about three towers. One with a crib on
> >it?? another one with a pawprint and a third with a walking stick
> >
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