[Mkguild] MKGuild Digest, Vol 77, Issue 14
christian okane
chrisokane at optimum.net
Fri Aug 16 17:22:53 UTC 2013
I was thinking of A red field with a black (or white) dragon in the center
surrounded by 7 stars (or something) to represent the Daedra and a gold
crown on top.
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I think this has definitely been said. But in no way should the curses be
apart of his emblem, Nasoj had been around for a long time before the curses
and nothing says "Don't Take Me Seriously As A Threat" than an emblem that
just screams "Just remember, we're the army that gets beaten by Women and
Children on a regular basis."
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Nasoj's emblem (christian okane)
2. Re: Nasoj's emblem (Ryx)
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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:19:19 -0400
From: christian okane <chrisokane at optimum.net>
To: 'christian okane' <chrisokane at optimum.net>, 'Ryx'
<sundansyr at yahoo.com>, "'C. Matthias'" <jagille3 at vt.edu>,
mkguild at lists.integral.org
Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
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Here is an idea I am thinking of using. A dragon in the center surrounded by
some Daedric symbol with a gold crown above it. The rest in black and red.
Comments before I decide?
Chris
The lurking Fox
From: mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org
[mailto:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of christian okane
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 1:20 AM
To: 'christian okane'; 'Ryx'; 'C. Matthias'; mkguild at lists.integral.org
Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
Any other comments on this? Any ideas?
Chris
The Lurking Fox
From: mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org
[mailto:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of christian okane
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 1:46 PM
To: 'Ryx'; 'C. Matthias'; mkguild at lists.integral.org
Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
All right let me restate this another way. The Dark orange and Green brown
would be the colors used but the decay and rust part would be subtle clues
to the readers about Nasoj. He might choose those colors just because he
liked them or they looked cool to him.
I do see his emblem being grandiose and overly complex. Him showing off.
From: mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org
[mailto:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of Ryx
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:06 PM
To: christian okane; 'C. Matthias'; mkguild at lists.integral.org
Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
And why would Nasoj want to represent his empire with decay and rust?
Remember, the heraldry we are discussing was chosen by Nasoj, not his
enemies. It needs to exude power and menace, absolute control both through
mundane force of arms and magical strength.
A beast would represent this best as was used through history with lions and
raptors and fanciful creatures like dragons and griffons.
Also, bear in mind that some forms may very well utilize magic in the form
of illusions and sound that could be used to spread awe and fear. Nothing
would impress more than an actual dragon (illusion) borne at the vanguard by
the standardbearer.
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From: christian okane <chrisokane at optimum.net>
Date: 08/07/2013 1:42 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: 'christian okane' <chrisokane at optimum.net>,"'C. Matthias'"
<jagille3 at vt.edu>,mkguild at lists.integral.org
Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
Another idea just pointed out to me by a friend - instead of red and black
how about Dark Orange and Greenish brown - to represent decay and rust.
From: mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org
[mailto:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of christian okane
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 3:34 PM
To: 'C. Matthias'; mkguild at lists.integral.org
Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
I agree with Matt on the one point. Nasoj seems to me to be the type to go
for the mystical and especially the Grandiose. He is the type to pick
something to show off how powerful he is.. And remember this emblem would
have been picked decades before the 3 Gates battle happened.
From: mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org
[mailto:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of C. Matthias
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 4:37 PM
To: mkguild at lists.integral.org
Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
I do not at all like the idea of incorporating Metamor Keep's curses into
Nasoj's heraldry and I seriously doubt he would do so. Why in the world
would Nasoj want to use symbols of his own defeat, twice now, in his
heraldry? Secondly, his heraldry and source of power in the Giantdowns
would predate the curses of Metamor.
I think the recommendations that Ryx made make more sense than anything else
I have read. I will quote it here again because it is worth reminding
folks:
"I propose something of a different, more mystical, nature. Either a wyvern
(identifiable as such by the scorpion stinger on the tail), or more fantasic
still in the form of a three-headed chimeric beast similar to griffon
heraldry of old. Each head would signify a different auspice: corporeal
power, divine or infernal power (Ba'al's sole nod on the heraldry), and
arcane power. Secondary heraldric symbols might be used as well to denote
Nasoj's House, which is pretty much that exact symbol since whatever the
Dark Keep was before his ascension has been effectively wiped out entirely."
The purpose of Nasoj's heraldry is to show his power and dominion that he
can better rally the Lutin tribes and humans living in that part of the
world. He an not do that if his heraldry is also a symbol of his defeat.
May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love,
Charles Matthias
At 02:21 PM 8/5/2013, Andrew Vineyard wrote:
Don't you mean a crib, a paw print, and possibly the transgender symbol?
Looks like the male and female symbol joined together, overlapping at the
circle.
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Mark L. <nighthawkmal2 at gmail.com > wrote:
I love the red and black. What about three towers. One with a crib on
it another one with a pawprint and a third with a walking stick
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 04:39:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ryx <sundansyr at yahoo.com>
To: christian okane <chrisokane at optimum.net>, "'C. Matthias'"
<jagille3 at vt.edu>, "mkguild at lists.integral.org"
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Works for me.
White Dragon (signifying the glacial realm in which Nasoj's power rests and
the dominant beasts that reside in the Death Mountains), Black field for the
long night that claims it, Crown of seven spires (for the seven Daedra) in
red (a color of power), surrounded by a circle of five points (magical
construct, NOT pentacle).
>________________________________
> From: christian okane <chrisokane at optimum.net>
>To: 'christian okane' <chrisokane at optimum.net>; 'Ryx'
<sundansyr at yahoo.com>; 'C. Matthias' <jagille3 at vt.edu>;
mkguild at lists.integral.org
>Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:19 PM
>Subject: RE: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
>
>
>
>Here is an idea I am thinking of using. A dragon in the center surrounded
by some Daedric symbol with a gold crown above it. The rest in black and
red.
>?
>Comments before I decide?
>?
>Chris
>The lurking Fox
>?
>?
>?
>From:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org
<mailto:From%3Amkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org>
[mailto:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of christian okane
>Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 1:20 AM
>To: 'christian okane'; 'Ryx'; 'C. Matthias'; mkguild at lists.integral.org
>Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
>?
>Any other comments on this? Any ideas?
>?
>Chris
>The Lurking Fox
>?
>From:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org
<mailto:From%3Amkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org>
[mailto:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of christian okane
>Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 1:46 PM
>To: 'Ryx'; 'C. Matthias'; mkguild at lists.integral.org
>Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
>?
>All right let me restate this another way. The Dark orange and Green brown
would be the colors used but the decay and rust part would be subtle clues
to the readers about Nasoj. ?He might choose those colors just because he
liked them or they looked cool to him.
>?
>I do see his emblem being grandiose and overly complex. ?Him showing off.
>?
>From:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org
<mailto:From%3Amkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org>
[mailto:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of Ryx
>Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:06 PM
>To: christian okane; 'C. Matthias'; mkguild at lists.integral.org
>Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
>?
>And why would Nasoj want to represent his empire with decay and rust?
?Remember, the heraldry we are discussing was chosen by Nasoj, not his
enemies. ?It needs to exude power and menace, absolute control both through
mundane force of arms and magical strength.
>A beast would represent this best as was used through history with lions
and raptors and fanciful creatures like dragons and griffons.
>Also, bear in mind that some forms may very well utilize magic in the form
of illusions and sound that could be used to spread awe and fear. ?Nothing
would impress more than an actual dragon (illusion) borne at the vanguard by
the standardbearer.?
>?
>?
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>
>-------- Original message --------
>From: christian okane <chrisokane at optimum.net>
>Date: 08/07/2013 1:42 AM (GMT-06:00)
>To: 'christian okane' <chrisokane at optimum.net>,"'C. Matthias'"
<jagille3 at vt.edu>,mkguild at lists.integral.org
>Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
>Another idea just pointed out to me by a friend - instead of red and black
how about Dark Orange and Greenish brown? - to represent decay and rust.
>?
>From:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org
<mailto:From%3Amkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org>
[mailto:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of christian okane
>Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 3:34 PM
>To: 'C. Matthias'; mkguild at lists.integral.org
>Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
>?
>I agree with Matt on the one point. Nasoj seems to me to be the type to go
for the mystical and especially the Grandiose.? He is the type to pick
something to show off how powerful he is.. And remember this emblem would
have been picked decades before the 3 Gates battle happened.
>?
>From:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org
<mailto:From%3Amkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org>
[mailto:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of C. Matthias
>Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 4:37 PM
>To: mkguild at lists.integral.org
>Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
>?
>I do not at all like the idea of incorporating Metamor Keep's curses into
Nasoj's heraldry and I seriously doubt he would do so.? Why in the world
would Nasoj want to use symbols of his own defeat, twice now, in his
heraldry?? Secondly, his heraldry and source of power in the Giantdowns
would predate the curses of Metamor.
>
>I think the recommendations that Ryx made make more sense than anything
else I have read.? I will quote it here again because it is worth reminding
folks:
>
>"I propose something of a different, more mystical, nature.? Either a
wyvern (identifiable as such by the scorpion stinger on the tail), or more
fantasic still in the form of a three-headed chimeric beast similar to
griffon heraldry of old.? Each head would signify a different auspice:?
corporeal power, divine or infernal power (Ba'al's sole nod on the
heraldry), and arcane power.? Secondary heraldric symbols might be used as
well to denote Nasoj's House, which is pretty much that exact symbol since
whatever the Dark Keep was before his ascension has been effectively wiped
out entirely."
>
>The purpose of Nasoj's heraldry is to show his power and dominion that he
can better rally the Lutin tribes and humans living in that part of the
world.? He an not do that if his heraldry is also a symbol of his defeat.
>
>May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love,
>
>Charles Matthias
>
>At 02:21 PM 8/5/2013, Andrew Vineyard wrote:
>Don't you mean a crib, a paw print, and possibly the transgender symbol?
Looks like the male and female symbol joined together, overlapping at the
circle.
>
>
>On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Mark L. <nighthawkmal2 at gmail.com > wrote:
>?I love the red and black. What about three towers. One with a crib on
>it?? another one with a pawprint and a third with a walking stick
>
>
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