[Mkguild] possible MK banner/logo

[Alex Green]

Those are some good suggestions. However there is one point that I must
disagree with you on:


> The adoption of the horse heraldry is new, chosen after the Curse.
>  Previous to that it could've been anything (I know little of the Hassan
> house history; griffon or drake would seem likely).


The have been a couple stories that indicate the horse has always been a
part of the Hassan family heraldry.

This sentence from "Lots" shows how Thomas thinks about being changed to
match his heraldry


>
> The tablecloth was laced with golden thread, and an artistic blending of
> the Hassan horse heraldry – he’d always found that terribly ironic after
> the curse changed him – and the fields and flowers of the valley.
>

And in this scene from "Landing in a New Age", Andwyn finds it strange
that Dupré would end up a ram like his family's symbol till Thomas points
out the same thing happened to him.  Malisa goes on to say that it's still
a very rare circumstance.


> “It would be very unusual for the Curse to strike in so coincidental a
> fashion,” Andwyn mused quietly.
>
> “It happened to me,” Thomas pointed out. “The Hassan coat of arms has
> always featured a rearing horse.”
>
> “But not to any of your other vassals,” Malisa pointed out. “Perhaps this
> is a sign to us as well as to him. If he is truly changed to reflect his
> family’s sigil, then he may be meant to stay here and serve you.”
>

I missed the above reference to a rearing horse in my previous search, so
it would seem that Matt originally used a rearing horse as the symbol and
only later started describing it as a horse-head.

-AlexSurikat


On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Ryx <sundansyr at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Let's try this:
> The banner of Metamor itself, alone, not withstanding of the ruling House
> is a castle of three towers, below each a gate.  Gray on green (castle
> stone, valley green).  The shape of the banner itself is up to the tailor
> making it.
>
> Duke Thomas' banner is a stallion (or just horse) rampant dexter (rearing,
> facing right) with a bend sinister (bar, crossing opposite the rampant
> dexter).  The banner itself is blue (for House Hassan), the horse typically
> red (for his Knighthood), but when placed on the banner of Metamor the
> horse may be blue.  The top of either banner would have crenelations or
> 'embattled line' to indicate the fortress nature of Metamor.  The
> remeberance of the Tree Gates may be included below the horse by some
> symbology on more complex banners.  Usually just three free-standing
> castle-style arched portals at the feet of the horse, or slightly behind
> denoting that the Horse, and House Hassan, holds the Keep.
>
> Historically blue meant Truth and Loyalty, and red Martial arms.  Since
> Thomas rules over a peaceful kingdom over a conquesting one blue would be a
> more appropriate color.  (http://www.oshel.com/symbols.htm)
>
>
> The adoption of the horse heraldry is new, chosen after the Curse.
> Previous to that it could've been anything (I know little of the Hassan
> house history; griffon or drake would seem likely).
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Alex Green <alexsurikat at gmail.com>
> *To:* C. Matthias <jagille3 at vt.edu>
> *Cc:* christian okane <chrisokane at optimum.net>; "
> mkguild at lists.integral.org" <mkguild at lists.integral.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:34 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Mkguild] possible MK banner/logo
>
> After searching through the archives for a while, I was surprised to find
> that there aren't very many descriptions of the banner of Metamor.
>
> I found the most complete description at the bottom of the third page of
> Misha's "Plain and Simple"
>
> Thomas looked to the top of the ruined tower and noticed the flag
> fluttering in the breeze. It was a black flag with a red rearing horse on
> it. It was the flag of the House Hassan, Duke of Metamor, King of the
> Midland, his own banner.
>
>
> LurkingWolf's "Burning Time" also mention a rearing horse on the flag but
> neglects to mention the colors
>
> It appears Matt is the only one who's described it as a horse-head in both
> "Gazing through a Barred Window" and "Healing Wounds in Arabarb", but I
> didn't see any mention of colors from him either.
>
> Raven didn't mention what was on the flag, but he had a different idea
> about the colors of Metamor in "A Presence of Thieves"
>
> "That isn't the Duke's banner," he said, frowning up at the yellow flags
> flapping in the breeze. "Metamor's colors are blue and white. Why would
> they be flying yellow flags?"
>
>
> Matt confirms that blue is a customary color of the Hassan family in the
> first interlude of "The Last Tale of Yajakali" with several mentions of
> "Hassan Blue" but never actually states whether it's the color of the
> banner or not.  (By the way, I just noticed that the title at the top of
> every page of LOTY has Yajakali spelled wrong as "Yajikali")
>
> The wiki unsurprisingly agrees with Misha since he's the one who added
> that information on the "Knights of the Red Stallion" page on the 16th of
> January 2007 (it specifically says that their emblem is the same as the
> Duke's).  He also added the emblem information to the Duke's page earlier
> this month.
>
> That is all of the information I could find relating to the
> flag/banner/emblem of the House of Hassan/Metamor Keep, so it seems the
> it is a red/blue rearing-stallion/horse-head on a black/white background.
>  I never noticed how inconsistent its description was before.
>
> -AlexSurikat
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:00 AM, C. Matthias <jagille3 at vt.edu> wrote:
>
> At 03:40 AM 2/21/2013, christian okane wrote:
>
> That is a nice looking emblem but one small problem. The Horse in the
> emblem has always been red.
>
> Chris
> The Lurking Fox
>
>
> The only reference to red in the emblem that I am aware of comes from the
> knightly order "Order of the Red Stallion".  Please provide other official
> references (Wiki entries do not count).
>
>
> May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love,
>
> Charles Matthias
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