[Mkguild] Distant Voices

[kyle.vernon at gmail.com]

Mmm and there are older stories up that also have canonocity problems...
maybe they should be added to the site in the Canon section. But with a
warning that they're quite old.

BTW anyone seen Dimensional? Eh he's probably traveling for thanksgiving.
BTW I hope yours is delicious furson reading this
On Nov 27, 2014 12:54 PM, "christian okane" <chrisokane at optimum.net> wrote:

> Ok. Some comments from me.
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>    That old story from WIC is just that - old. Done before many elements
> were fixed and it might have some canon issues.
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>   The taur ability is one where some people can do it and some cannot.
> It's really up to the author.
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> Chris
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> *From:* mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org [mailto:
> mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] *On Behalf Of *Ryx
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2014 2:55 PM
> *To:* Alex Green; Azariah Wolf
> *Cc:* mkguild at lists.integral.org; Jessica Nichols-Vernon
> *Subject:* Re: [Mkguild] Distant Voices
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> Much as I'd like to snip out the full length story my mail proggy won't
> let me - so forgiveness for the bulk of this post.
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> Concerning the ability to shift between genders for those cursed with that
> aspect -
>
> It CAN be done.  Not easily, not not for protracted periods, but it can be
> done.  As well, those who have put effort into learning this can alter
> their physical appearance rather dramatically.  Normal is knockout
> gorgeous, but it can be toned down to 'normal', and with some considerable
> effort even 'ugly'.  It could be hypothesized that some - particularly
> those who have become spies - that they can even change certain aspects of
> their appearance such as eye color, hair color and length, or even overall
> skin tone (within the range of their race).  Body mass can be more
> problematic, but I could see that more would practice this form of
> alteration so they're not overweight.  Assumed muscle is not 'strength'
> muscle, however.  That still takes work and exercise.
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> As with those who have learned the 'taur shifting ability in previous -
> canon - stories, it should be expected that those with the gender and age
> versions can assume a degree of control over their curse given a lot of
> time and considerable practice, and by exerting a large measure of self
> will.  Becoming 'taur is not easy, and few truly master it, while pretty
> much all animorphs can assume various forms of their new species, though
> size can be an issue they have to work on (becoming a true, normal 1lb rat
> takes some effort, but being one closer to the general mass of the
> character does not.  Larger species, such as horses, have a much easier
> time of these alterations).
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>
> I would like to state - though some may disagree - that transgenders
> cannot reproduce beyond the limits of their new gender.  If they have
> become female, no amount of masculine shifting will allow them to father
> children.  Likewise for those who have been made male.
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> Similarly, those with the pedomorph curse can make themselves look adult,
> again with considerable effort and not for protracted periods of time.
> Altering themselves within the range of the curse - toddler to young
> adolescence - is much easier since that is already the established normal
> range.
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> We have already established these rare abilities throughout the setting
> and should not put a boot down on further exploration of such.
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> On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 12:54 PM, Alex Green <
> alexsurikat at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Just a few points I'd like to add;
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>
> You should be able to access the link if you're a member of the *TSA-Talk
> mailing list*. It's the *TSA-Talk mailing list* archive. The sign-in page
> requires the email address and password that you used to sign-up for the *TSA-Talk
> mailing list*.
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>
> I posted this link because although the story has many non-cannon
> elements, I thought it would be a good idea to see how Malisa's creator
> intended her to be.
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>
> The biggest issue with the story is it basically outright states that
> anyone with the TG curse can switch between genders while explaining the
> reason Malisa can't. It also talks about portals to other universes. There
> were a few other little details of questionable canonicity as well.
>
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> Calling herself Matt isn't just a throwback to her male name; it's an
> important part of her character. She despises her sex change so much that
> she tries to do everything she possibly can to remain masculine; she uses
> what little control over the curse she has to force her breasts as small as
> possible; she cuts her hair short; she wears men's clothes; she exercises
> for hours at a time to maintain a more masculine figure; and she has
> everyone refer to her as Matt or Matthew. She is referred to as Matt 112
> times and Matthew 31 times in the story. She's only referred to as Malisa
> once.
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>
> That particular story was posted November 27th only five days after the
> original Metamor Keep story was posted. (looks like Metamor Keep just
> celebrated it's 17th birthday last Saturday. We should really make some
> sort of effort to point out the anniversary every year. (Metamor Keep was
> posted to the TSA-Talk list on Saturday, November 22nd 1997.)) A lot of
> stories from the first two weeks had issues especially because it took a
> while for Copernicus to lay down the rules for the setting. Even
> Copernicus's second story (an attempt to fix a continuity error) was later
> declared non-canon when the original reason for the continuity error was
> retconned.
>
>
>
> I found the rest of Winc's (Mal's, Matt's, Matthew's, Malisa's (wow,
> that's almost as many names as Hawl has)) stories in the Distant Voices arc
> and Metamor Keep universe. I can't comment on them as I haven't read them
> yet.
>
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>
> The Team
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> Part 1
> http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1997-November/019217.html
>
> Part 2
> http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1997-November/019282.html
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> Midtown
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> Part 1
> http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1997-December/019474.html
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> Part 2
> http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1997-December/019475.html
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> Three days after Midtown was posted, Winc left the TSA-Talk mailing list
> <http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1997-December/019740.html>,
> and asked for someone to take over Malisa and her story line. I don't know
> if anyone ever did, but there's nothing in the official archive about this
> story line so for all practical purposes the answer is no.
>
>
>
> Scratch that, Winc came back a month later, re-posted an edited version of Distant
> Voices
> <http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1998-January/020564.html>,
> posted some notes on the storyline
> <http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1998-April/023181.html>,
> posted three
> <http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1998-April/023180.html> more
> <http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1998-April/023182.html> parts
> <http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1998-April/023183.html>, changed
> names again, and promised to post more MK
> <http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1999-February/032546.html>,
> and that's as much as I've found so far.
>
>
>
> Also, I found a bit more on Jenn:
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> Character info:
> http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1997-December/019324.html
>
> Story: The Alchemy of Love (Part 1)
> http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1997-December/019323.html
>
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> I didn't find a second part to Alchemy of love.
>
>
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> I hope this was helpful, or informative, or at least not too confusing,
>
> -AlexSurikat
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Azariah Wolf <azariahwolf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I strongly object to you using your own stories as grounds for determining
> the canonicity of a story.  If you had left it at "people can change
> between genders", which I can neither confirm nor deny because I can't
> access the story in question, maybe I'd go easier on you, but your second
> paragraph goes on to basically proclaim your stories as gospel canon by
> stating that the character has long black hair and large breasts.  Alex
> already stated that yours are the only stories where these details are
> mentioned outside of Distant Voices, and I'm more inclined to go with what
> appears to have been an origin story than with what you added seven years
> later from personal preference.
>
> Also, having the character called Matt is likely as much a callback to her
> male name, and thus has no bearing on whether or not this story is canon.
>
> Considering that the archive dates this story at some time in 1997, I
> would say that the oddity of letting people change genders is most likely a
> misunderstanding of what was at that time a new story universe.  I move to
> consider the description of the character in the story as canon, while
> leaving the story itself outside of canon due to this misunderstanding.
>
> -LurkingWolf
>
>
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> On 11/26/2014 4:24 AM, kyle.vernon at gmail.com wrote:
>
> http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1997-November/019174.html
>
> Alex brought this story to our attention, I previously didn't know the
> tale existed and I don't think many of us did. I vote that it's added to
> the non-canon section. I haven't finished reading it, but in it some people
> afflicted with the curse can change to and from the two sexes, which is not
> the case in the series proper.
>
> Additionally, Malisa's physical appearance is different than what it's
> been listed in the canon events (Small breasts, short brown hair Vs. Large
> Breasts, long black hair) and finally she goes by Matt instead of Malisa.
>
> Incidentally, I do find it interesting that a few elements of Malisa's
> character that I thought I had made up are in this story. Eh, not quite
> sure what to make of it.
>
> All in favor?
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