[Mkguild] It's quiet

[Bill Kieffer aka Greyflank]

That's the only issue I recall, but then I'm not on ICR and I missed out on the bulk of the issues.  Plus, it was many, many years ago.

I remain curious that explicit violence is welcomed (in general, in the USA, not to imply that you are all blood thirsty monsters) under PG-13 while sex is not so much (again, in general for the USA, not to imply that you are all prudes, because I know better).  

This isn't a sexual story.  If I did it right, it should produce horror.  I tried to make it lighter, I really did, but it made multiple acts of rape seem like the punchline to a joke.  I could not do that.

I'm sure that's not very reassuring to your concerns, but I'm going to play the "art card." 

You know I love Metamor Keep and you've always had a special place in my heart, but sometimes you have to answer to the story above all else.

-Bill
aka Greyflank






> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:44:01 -0400
> To: sundansyr at yahoo.com; greyflank at hotmail.com; chrisokane at optimum.net; mkguild at lists.integral.org
> From: jagille3 at vt.edu
> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] It's quiet
> 
> I concur with Ryx in this regard.  Same sex relationships are not new 
> to Metamor given the vagaries of the Curse.  That wasn't really the 
> issue with your first stories anyway.
> 
> If Metamor Keep is getting more exposure, we do not want it to be X 
> rated exposure.  Such exposure reflects badly on Metamor Keep and all 
> we have worked to build.
> 
> May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love,
> 
> Charles Matthias
> 
> At 08:10 AM 8/10/2015, Ryx wrote:
> >Don't have any tetch whatsoever about the intimate proclivities of 
> >any character in Metamor... I play merry havoc with them on a 
> >regular basis (Malger Sutt most notably - gives not a whit about the 
> >gender of those he bedded before he was married.  Sir Egland and 
> >Intoran.  Others).  Don't care, roll with it.
> >
> >Just keep the clothes on and the unclothed bits 'off screen' as much 
> >as possible.  Unless I'm mistaken Mathias has come the absolute 
> >closest to an on-screen love scene and it lasted a sum of two 
> >sentences.  That's the way Metamor grew, and grows, and should stay 
> >that way as much as possible.
> >
> >I would rather not have to put any more emphasis on the matter.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Monday, August 10, 2015 7:01 AM, Bill Kieffer aka Greyflank 
> ><greyflank at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >I totally understand your point and I've always try to make sure the 
> >story itself can survive being translated into a "TV version."
> >
> >But since, for a few people, the mere appearance of a homosexual 
> >before the curse was laid upon him made Wheeler's story too adult 
> >for MK, I've decided to ignore all this concern.  You'll recall, 
> >once finished and satisfied with my version of the story, I would 
> >work on a cannon version story.
> >
> >In this case, I will have to wait 6 months.
> >
> >Explicitness, you might recall also, does not always equal 
> >smut.  I've written smut, too,  so I know.  In this case, I am 
> >playing with the TG curse on a hardened soldier, but it's only one 
> >pivotal scene.  I could have written it less explicitly (I will, in 
> >fact, rewrite it less so later, barring another episode of an 
> >extended stay of hiding beneath my bed), but I wanted the impact of 
> >how the counter curse could be used.
> >
> >Not looking to change MK into anything but what it is.  And, if you 
> >have any stats or articles about people discovering Fifty Shades of 
> >Grey and then making their way into Twilight I would serious love to 
> >see those, because I am a curious pony.
> >
> >Anyway, I guess this is a good time to announce that The Good Sport, 
> >also a MK story with same sex attraction and blood and death, will 
> >be in An Anthropomorphic Century this fall/winter.  MK survived when 
> >that came out; it will survive this story.
> >
> >-Bill
> >
> >
> >----------
> >Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 05:28:19 +0000
> >From: sundansyr at yahoo.com
> >To: greyflank at hotmail.com; chrisokane at optimum.net; mkguild at lists.integral.org
> >Subject: Re: [Mkguild] It's quiet
> >
> >I would beg to disagree, as I do each time the subject comes 
> >up.  I'm one to write a good bit of smut - it moves, people read it 
> >- but Metamor does not need that aspect in any association that the 
> >public will come across.  Adult Fur Fiction can be found in 
> >countless locations and I would rather this setting not be among them.
> >Putting it forward in a public venue like a convention as a part of 
> >the official material or secondary examples in panels will paint the 
> >wrong picture to those who may have never heard of MK.
> >Just like the bubble-head who wrote the Shades of Gray series first 
> >as a fanfic of the cancerous Twilight tripe - she simply changed the 
> >names and went with it.  If you really want to bring MK into an 
> >adult venue - please change the name of the setting.
> >
> >This is my voice of contention and does not represent anyone else in 
> >the setting, though I suspect Mathias may agree with my stance.
> >
> >
> >
> >On Sunday, August 9, 2015 9:30 PM, "greyflank at hotmail.com" 
> ><greyflank at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Official stories are PG, otherwise its for everyone at every 
> >level.  We have this conversation every few years.  Metamor Keep is 
> >above all else inclusive... As long as no one beats C at pool, we are good.
> >
> >*Greyflank
> >
> >Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
> >
> >
> >------ Original message------
> >From: Ryx
> >Date: Sun, Aug 9, 2015 7:24 PM
> >To: Bill Kieffer aka Greyflank;christian okane;'Metamor Keep';
> >Subject:Re: [Mkguild] It's quiet
> >
> >'Very adult'?  Care to explain?
> >Metamor Keep is PG-13, not R, not X.  It's intended for all readers 
> >of all ages.  Please keep that in mind.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Sunday, August 9, 2015 10:32 AM, Bill Kieffer aka Greyflank 
> ><greyflank at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >I have a very adult Metamor Keep story coming out in the Rain 
> >Furrest collection this year...
> >
> >I'm hoping that will make some noise.
> >
> >Greyflank, the Typing Horse
> >
> >
> >----------
> >Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 13:45:59 -0400
> >From: chrisokane at optimum.net
> >To: MKGuild at lists.integral.org
> >Subject: [Mkguild] It's quiet
> >
> >    It's quiet - TOO quiet.
> >
> >
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