[Mkguild] MKGuild Digest, Vol 100, Issue 20

[Alex Green]

I sent the following email earlier; although it looks like I forgot to hit
reply all and only sent it to jack.

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Alex Green <alexsurikat at gmail.com> wrote:

> Get a different email address for posting.
>
> The problem lies with Yahoo (and some other email providers). I know from
> experience Gmail works fine.
>
> The other option is for everyone else to get a Gmail address and set up
> filters to keep emails from the problem providers from ending up in the
> spam folder.
>
> Yahoo has implemented some features that break most mailing lists and asks
> other providers to do the same. Basically, they ask other providers to
> bounce (return as undeliverable) emails with a yahoo address that were sent
> from servers other than Yahoo's (like the mailing list server). Some email
> providers have complied and even implemented a similar system. Gmail just
> marks them as spam.
>
> The problem with bouncing emails is that the recipient never knows an
> email was even sent, and the mailing list software unsubscribes people for
> too many bounced emails.
>
> I've already explained this a couple of times on the TSA-talk list, but I
> don't think I ever did here.
>
>
>
> Anyway, at some point in the future, I'll get around to reading, and
> hopefully commenting on, your latest stories (as lately I've been too
> depressed/busy to do so).
>
> Hope this helps,
> -AlexSurikat
>

-AlexSurikat

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:48 PM, christian okane <chrisokane at optimum.net>
wrote:

> I'm not sure. The list engine has always been odd. Perhaps being sure to
> send the email in plain text format.
>
>
>
>    Anyone with ideas?
>
>
>
>    Chris
>
>    The Lurking Fox
>
>
>
> *From:* mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org [mailto:
> mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] *On Behalf Of *Jack Moore
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 18, 2015 9:05 AM
> *To:* mkguild at lists.integral.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Mkguild] MKGuild Digest, Vol 100, Issue 20
>
>
>
> Is their anything I can do so people can read it?
>
>
>
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>   1. Re: Trust I (Bill Kieffer aka Greyflank)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 08:06:54 -0400
> From: Bill Kieffer aka Greyflank <greyflank at hotmail.com>
> To: "C. Matthias" <jagille3 at vt.edu>, Jack Moore
>     <jackthefrilledlizard at yahoo.com>, Metamor Keep
>     <mkguild at lists.integral.org>
> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Trust I
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> This is weird.? I am not getting the postings for Trust at all... only the
> replies.?
> (and yes, I checked the spam filters)
>
>
> -Greyflank
>
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 06:06:07 -0400
> > To: jackthefrilledlizard at yahoo.com; mkguild at lists.integral.org
> > From: jagille3 at vt.edu
> > Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Trust I
> >
> > At 08:57 PM 7/14/2015, Jack Moore wrote:
> >
> >>Trust
> >>
> >>To My Friend in the North
> >>
> >>Yes I know the last letter didn't make me sound good but it wasn't
> >>supposed to. It's something I suspect Eli and I will discuss when I
> >>meet Him. The crushing of the Host is something I still regret, but
> >>there is no way for me to undo it. It was how I acted and I can't undo
> it.
> >>
> >>And it is a sign of Eli's eternal mercy that the first time I steped
> >>in to the Keep chapel that Yahshua didn't come off the cross and
> >>beat me. I deserved it. And Nemo had every right to be mad at me.
> >>
> >>Patric especially, though. I wanted to apologize to him almost right
> >>away but it was two weeks before I saw him again. In that time I
> >>managed to annoy two people. The first was Sir Egland, the
> >>second...a very well known vulpine.
> >>
> >>I want to discuss neither of these incidents but I have to. I might
> >>as well start with the first, the time I met Sir Egland. He talked
> >>to me, challenged me and then I vomited on him.
> >
> > This introduction made me laugh a good bit. Ack, lizard vomit
> > awaits! How can I resist! LOL!
> >
> >
> >>March 28th, 707
> >>
> >>The sun slipped into my room from a small window above my bed. I
> >>couldn't remember if the window had been there yesterday, but it was
> >>now. It gave me some badly needed light but it also brought in the cold
> air.
> >>
> >>My tail ached badly even though I was no longer sitting on it. The
> >>tip dragged the ground, so I had to either walk with it up or endure.
> >
> > You're missing a word here: "dragged along the ground" or "dragged
> > across the ground"
> >
> >>"Yeah wait and see." I tied my other foot up. "Perfect!" My feet
> >>were wrapped in linens, held in place by crisscrossing leather
> >>straps. They had grown to twice their previous length. Tying them up
> >>caused my new claws to rub against my toes.
> >>
> >>"What do you think?" I asked my rodent friend. He took one look and
> >>curled into a ball. I rolled my eyes. "Be completely honest, don't
> >>hold anything back." I wrapped my skirt around me, trying still to
> >>hide my tail. This despite its increased length. I might as well
> >>have been trying to hide it with air.
> >
> > And here I thought it was a sarong and not a skirt. The cracks in
> > his invented reality continue to spread!
> >
> >>"This still doesn't feel real..." I had purchased a scarf yesterday,
> >>during a very brief excursion to the Market Square. I felt calmer
> >>wrapping this aba around my neck since it hid the spines. Now only
> >>my head was uncovered.
> >
> > "aba" => "about"
> >
> >>"My hairline is receding." I felt along the top of my skull. Yep, it
> >>was vanishing and fast. My eyebrows had already disappeared. This
> >>curse had taken my home, my way of life, my title and now my hair.
> >>
> >>Truly its evil knew no bounds.
> >
> > Not content with merely everything you knew before, but it also had
> > to go for the hair. The dastardly horror! Most of us have to wait
> > until we're forty for that to start happening. ;-)
> >
> >>"Know what I want to do?" The rat cocked his little head. "I'd like
> >>to go hawking today." I grinned. "There's nothing quite like a day
> >>spent with your hawk. My current one is Ulysses.
> >>
> >>"He's this...red-tailed hawk I've had for almost two years. He
> >>uh...he's great. Just watching him fly" I shook my head, "I could do
> >>it all day. I swear."
> >>
> >>Hawking is the greatest of all the pastimes. Hunting with arrows is
> >>a bloody, violent past time I despise. I've never liked killing, but
> >>when hawking at least the hawk can get a meal out of this.
> >>
> >>When you're hawking you are free. In the field, the wind blowing
> >>through your hair and the hawk screeching as it circles above you,
> >>you are at peace. You can forget your father's obsessive grooming
> >>you to take over for him, your place in an Empire you don't know.
> >>
> >>"I don't think Duke what's his name even knows how to go hawking." I
> >>said. "Who is running this place?" I scratched my head. "Nemo said
> >>he was a horse...nope don't remember.
> >>
> >>"How can Duke Clip-Clop be a ruler and not enjoy hawking? It's
> >>insane." Not as insane as was calling him Duke Clip-Clop to his face.
> >>
> >>Which I did.
> >>
> >>But not for a few months.
> >
> > First off, I love this depiction of hawking. It shows him to be that
> > spoiled Lord's brat and very human at the same time. We see
> > something he enjoys doing, something that makes him feel like
> > himself. This makes it all the more sad that he likely doesn't have
> > his hawk anymore because this is exactly the sort of thing we'd like
> > to see him get the chance to do!
> >
> > And calling Thomas Duke Clip-Clop is actually really funny right now
> > because Thomas is still under the halter's influence and in another
> > month will nearly succumb. If he'd done it now Thomas probably would
> > have reacted with a bemused, faraway grin. Not so much in a few months.
> ;-)
> >
> >>"I need out of this room." I stretched and stood. "I need a whore
> >>very badly. I need a whore, where is the brothel?" I yawned. "God
> >>almighty. Think think, think...oh I know where it is!"
> >>
> >>Yesterday I had heard someone discussing a business somewhere in
> >>Euper. From the name, I knew it had to be a brothel. "It's called
> >>the Jolly Collie inn! How can it not be a brothel?"
> >>
> >>In my defense, that does sound like the name of a brothel.
> >
> > ROTFLMTO!!!!
> >
> >>"I'll find the brothel and then I'll...maybe I'll fuck a dog girl."
> >>I shrugged. "Never done that before. What do you think?" My rat
> >>sniffed curiously. I smiled and stroked his fur.
> >
> > And that touching moment of humanity is flushed away.
> >
> >>"Well you're becoming a lizard-
> >>
> >>"I am not!"
> >
> > Slipping back from Anger to Denial I see.
> >
> >>-And as a lizard you will not be able to handle cold temperatures.
> >>So this" He gestured at the floor, "needs to change. I'd recommend
> >>we go find something, carpeting, thrushes, sand or something else."
> >
> > Thrushes or sand probably fits their budget better. In this age
> > carpeting would still be very expensive.
> >
> >>"Actually no. I'm tired but not bad tired. I just feel peculiar." He
> >>held up his hands. "My skin is less rugose. I wonder, perhaps a
> >>result of this beneficent place?" I rolled my eyes.
> >>
> >>"Can't you just say stuff without me wondering what you're talking
> >>about?" Nemo shrugged.
> >
> > This is why some folks are having trouble knowing who is
> > speaking. You haven't noted who is speaking, but you mention the
> > other person in the narrative description. I recommend trying to
> > make it more obvious who is speaking, by noting what they are doing
> > while they are speaking. Reactions are fine, but when the only
> > person you mention when person A is speaking is person B then things
> > get confusing.
> >
> > I do observe that in other parts of this conversation you do have "I
> > said" show up a few times and that's good. No need to go overkill on
> > it, just keep a wary eye on it.
> >
> >>"And it just...it sucks! I can't fix it! I don't want to fucking be
> >>here! I want to burn this place, this Keep and my fucking tail!"
> >>
> >>"I didn't know you had grown a tail." I cocked my head.
> >>
> >>"Excuse me?" Nemo smiled.
> >>
> >>"I'd like to see you wear fewer rags. I bet your tail looks
> >>magnificent on you." It does look fantastic on me now. Then though
> >>it was a fleshy nuisance wrapped in scales, a reminder of my beastly
> fate.
> >>
> >>"I thought I told you about this..." Nemo shook his head. "Well I
> >>did, I've got a fucking tail and no you can't see it. You wanna see,
> >>grow one of your own." Nemo sighed.
> >
> > This section above here is probably the worst for what I meant. In
> > context I know who is who, but if you didn't, it'd be very easy to
> > think the opposite person is speaking each line and then get confused by
> it.
> >
> >>"I would be so lucky. I suspect I am not though James." He untied
> >>our money bag, at his waste as always, and pulled out a few shiny
> >>coins. Silver I believe maybe a few coppers. "James you need to
> >>learn to prioritize and I need to know I can trust you. I want to
> >>give you this money but I know what you will use it for."
> >
> > "waste" => "waist"
> >
> >>"I admire your bravado. One thing I'm going to purchase today is a
> >>pot. We might need one."
> >>
> >>"Yeah yeah." I stood up. "Look thanks for the money, I won't
> >>disappoint you. Promise."
> >>
> >>And I did intend to keep that promise. I really did. Just...things
> happened.
> >
> > LOL! What a great line to end things on here. Ah, James, we go from
> > feeling sorry for you and wanting to cheer you up to rolling our eyes
> > and wanting to give you a good slap to wake you up. Apart from the
> > few things I noted I think this is going very well, Jack!
> >
> > May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love,
> >
> > Charles Matthias
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > MKGuild mailing list
> > MKGuild at lists.integral.org
> > http://lists.integral.org/listinfo/mkguild
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 12:28:59 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Ryx <sundansyr at yahoo.com>
> To: Metamor Keep <mkguild at lists.integral.org>
> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Trust I
> Message-ID:
>     <824537312.109414.1437222539205.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Same here -
> I got that last one I made a brief comment on, but having perused
> Mattrat's replies I'm a bit more keen on actually giving this work a read!
>
>
>     On Saturday, July 18, 2015 7:06 AM, Bill Kieffer aka Greyflank <
> greyflank at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> This is weird.? I am not getting the postings for Trust at all... only the
> replies.?
> (and yes, I checked the spam filters)
>
>
> -Greyflank
>
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 06:06:07 -0400
> > To: jackthefrilledlizard at yahoo.com; mkguild at lists.integral.org
> > From: jagille3 at vt.edu
> > Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Trust I
> >
> > At 08:57 PM 7/14/2015, Jack Moore wrote:
> >
> >>Trust
> >>
> >>To My Friend in the North
> >>
> >>Yes I know the last letter didn't make me sound good but it wasn't
> >>supposed to. It's something I suspect Eli and I will discuss when I
> >>meet Him. The crushing of the Host is something I still regret, but
> >>there is no way for me to undo it. It was how I acted and I can't undo
> it.
> >>
> >>And it is a sign of Eli's eternal mercy that the first time I steped
> >>in to the Keep chapel that Yahshua didn't come off the cross and
> >>beat me. I deserved it. And Nemo had every right to be mad at me.
> >>
> >>Patric especially, though. I wanted to apologize to him almost right
> >>away but it was two weeks before I saw him again. In that time I
> >>managed to annoy two people. The first was Sir Egland, the
> >>second...a very well known vulpine.
> >>
> >>I want to discuss neither of these incidents but I have to. I might
> >>as well start with the first, the time I met Sir Egland. He talked
> >>to me, challenged me and then I vomited on him.
> >
> > This introduction made me laugh a good bit. Ack, lizard vomit
> > awaits! How can I resist! LOL!
> >
> >
> >>March 28th, 707
> >>
> >>The sun slipped into my room from a small window above my bed. I
> >>couldn't remember if the window had been there yesterday, but it was
> >>now. It gave me some badly needed light but it also brought in the cold
> air.
> >>
> >>My tail ached badly even though I was no longer sitting on it. The
> >>tip dragged the ground, so I had to either walk with it up or endure.
> >
> > You're missing a word here: "dragged along the ground" or "dragged
> > across the ground"
> >
> >>"Yeah wait and see." I tied my other foot up. "Perfect!" My feet
> >>were wrapped in linens, held in place by crisscrossing leather
> >>straps. They had grown to twice their previous length. Tying them up
> >>caused my new claws to rub against my toes.
> >>
> >>"What do you think?" I asked my rodent friend. He took one look and
> >>curled into a ball. I rolled my eyes. "Be completely honest, don't
> >>hold anything back." I wrapped my skirt around me, trying still to
> >>hide my tail. This despite its increased length. I might as well
> >>have been trying to hide it with air.
> >
> > And here I thought it was a sarong and not a skirt. The cracks in
> > his invented reality continue to spread!
> >
> >>"This still doesn't feel real..." I had purchased a scarf yesterday,
> >>during a very brief excursion to the Market Square. I felt calmer
> >>wrapping this aba around my neck since it hid the spines. Now only
> >>my head was uncovered.
> >
> > "aba" => "about"
> >
> >>"My hairline is receding." I felt along the top of my skull. Yep, it
> >>was vanishing and fast. My eyebrows had already disappeared. This
> >>curse had taken my home, my way of life, my title and now my hair.
> >>
> >>Truly its evil knew no bounds.
> >
> > Not content with merely everything you knew before, but it also had
> > to go for the hair. The dastardly horror! Most of us have to wait
> > until we're forty for that to start happening. ;-)
> >
> >>"Know what I want to do?" The rat cocked his little head. "I'd like
> >>to go hawking today." I grinned. "There's nothing quite like a day
> >>spent with your hawk. My current one is Ulysses.
> >>
> >>"He's this...red-tailed hawk I've had for almost two years. He
> >>uh...he's great. Just watching him fly" I shook my head, "I could do
> >>it all day. I swear."
> >>
> >>Hawking is the greatest of all the pastimes. Hunting with arrows is
> >>a bloody, violent past time I despise. I've never liked killing, but
> >>when hawking at least the hawk can get a meal out of this.
> >>
> >>When you're hawking you are free. In the field, the wind blowing
> >>through your hair and the hawk screeching as it circles above you,
> >>you are at peace. You can forget your father's obsessive grooming
> >>you to take over for him, your place in an Empire you don't know.
> >>
> >>"I don't think Duke what's his name even knows how to go hawking." I
> >>said. "Who is running this place?" I scratched my head. "Nemo said
> >>he was a horse...nope don't remember.
> >>
> >>"How can Duke Clip-Clop be a ruler and not enjoy hawking? It's
> >>insane." Not as insane as was calling him Duke Clip-Clop to his face.
> >>
> >>Which I did.
> >>
> >>But not for a few months.
> >
> > First off, I love this depiction of hawking. It shows him to be that
> > spoiled Lord's brat and very human at the same time. We see
> > something he enjoys doing, something that makes him feel like
> > himself. This makes it all the more sad that he likely doesn't have
> > his hawk anymore because this is exactly the sort of thing we'd like
> > to see him get the chance to do!
> >
> > And calling Thomas Duke Clip-Clop is actually really funny right now
> > because Thomas is still under the halter's influence and in another
> > month will nearly succumb. If he'd done it now Thomas probably would
> > have reacted with a bemused, faraway grin. Not so much in a few months.
> ;-)
> >
> >>"I need out of this room." I stretched and stood. "I need a whore
> >>very badly. I need a whore, where is the brothel?" I yawned. "God
> >>almighty. Think think, think...oh I know where it is!"
> >>
> >>Yesterday I had heard someone discussing a business somewhere in
> >>Euper. From the name, I knew it had to be a brothel. "It's called
> >>the Jolly Collie inn! How can it not be a brothel?"
> >>
> >>In my defense, that does sound like the name of a brothel.
> >
> > ROTFLMTO!!!!
> >
> >>"I'll find the brothel and then I'll...maybe I'll fuck a dog girl."
> >>I shrugged. "Never done that before. What do you think?" My rat
> >>sniffed curiously. I smiled and stroked his fur.
> >
> > And that touching moment of humanity is flushed away.
> >
> >>"Well you're becoming a lizard-
> >>
> >>"I am not!"
> >
> > Slipping back from Anger to Denial I see.
> >
> >>-And as a lizard you will not be able to handle cold temperatures.
> >>So this" He gestured at the floor, "needs to change. I'd recommend
> >>we go find something, carpeting, thrushes, sand or something else."
> >
> > Thrushes or sand probably fits their budget better. In this age
> > carpeting would still be very expensive.
> >
> >>"Actually no. I'm tired but not bad tired. I just feel peculiar." He
> >>held up his hands. "My skin is less rugose. I wonder, perhaps a
> >>result of this beneficent place?" I rolled my eyes.
> >>
> >>"Can't you just say stuff without me wondering what you're talking
> >>about?" Nemo shrugged.
> >
> > This is why some folks are having trouble knowing who is
> > speaking. You haven't noted who is speaking, but you mention the
> > other person in the narrative description. I recommend trying to
> > make it more obvious who is speaking, by noting what they are doing
> > while they are speaking. Reactions are fine, but when the only
> > person you mention when person A is speaking is person B then things
> > get confusing.
> >
> > I do observe that in other parts of this conversation you do have "I
> > said" show up a few times and that's good. No need to go overkill on
> > it, just keep a wary eye on it.
> >
> >>"And it just...it sucks! I can't fix it! I don't want to fucking be
> >>here! I want to burn this place, this Keep and my fucking tail!"
> >>
> >>"I didn't know you had grown a tail." I cocked my head.
> >>
> >>"Excuse me?" Nemo smiled.
> >>
> >>"I'd like to see you wear fewer rags. I bet your tail looks
> >>magnificent on you." It does look fantastic on me now. Then though
> >>it was a fleshy nuisance wrapped in scales, a reminder of my beastly
> fate.
> >>
> >>"I thought I told you about this..." Nemo shook his head. "Well I
> >>did, I've got a fucking tail and no you can't see it. You wanna see,
> >>grow one of your own." Nemo sighed.
> >
> > This section above here is probably the worst for what I meant. In
> > context I know who is who, but if you didn't, it'd be very easy to
> > think the opposite person is speaking each line and then get confused by
> it.
> >
> >>"I would be so lucky. I suspect I am not though James." He untied
> >>our money bag, at his waste as always, and pulled out a few shiny
> >>coins. Silver I believe maybe a few coppers. "James you need to
> >>learn to prioritize and I need to know I can trust you. I want to
> >>give you this money but I know what you will use it for."
> >
> > "waste" => "waist"
> >
> >>"I admire your bravado. One thing I'm going to purchase today is a
> >>pot. We might need one."
> >>
> >>"Yeah yeah." I stood up. "Look thanks for the money, I won't
> >>disappoint you. Promise."
> >>
> >>And I did intend to keep that promise. I really did. Just...things
> happened.
> >
> > LOL! What a great line to end things on here. Ah, James, we go from
> > feeling sorry for you and wanting to cheer you up to rolling our eyes
> > and wanting to give you a good slap to wake you up. Apart from the
> > few things I noted I think this is going very well, Jack!
> >
> > May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love,
> >
> > Charles Matthias
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > MKGuild mailing list
> > MKGuild at lists.integral.org
> > http://lists.integral.org/listinfo/mkguild
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On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:48 PM, christian okane <chrisokane at optimum.net>
wrote:

> I'm not sure. The list engine has always been odd. Perhaps being sure to
> send the email in plain text format.
>
>
>
>    Anyone with ideas?
>
>
>
>    Chris
>
>    The Lurking Fox
>
>
>
> *From:* mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org [mailto:
> mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] *On Behalf Of *Jack Moore
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 18, 2015 9:05 AM
> *To:* mkguild at lists.integral.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Mkguild] MKGuild Digest, Vol 100, Issue 20
>
>
>
> Is their anything I can do so people can read it?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, July 18, 2015 8:32 AM, "mkguild-request at lists.integral.org" <
> mkguild-request at lists.integral.org> wrote:
>
>
>
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>   1. Re: Trust I (Bill Kieffer aka Greyflank)
>   2. Re: Trust I (Ryx)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 08:06:54 -0400
> From: Bill Kieffer aka Greyflank <greyflank at hotmail.com>
> To: "C. Matthias" <jagille3 at vt.edu>, Jack Moore
>     <jackthefrilledlizard at yahoo.com>, Metamor Keep
>     <mkguild at lists.integral.org>
> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Trust I
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> This is weird.? I am not getting the postings for Trust at all... only the
> replies.?
> (and yes, I checked the spam filters)
>
>
> -Greyflank
>
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 06:06:07 -0400
> > To: jackthefrilledlizard at yahoo.com; mkguild at lists.integral.org
> > From: jagille3 at vt.edu
> > Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Trust I
> >
> > At 08:57 PM 7/14/2015, Jack Moore wrote:
> >
> >>Trust
> >>
> >>To My Friend in the North
> >>
> >>Yes I know the last letter didn't make me sound good but it wasn't
> >>supposed to. It's something I suspect Eli and I will discuss when I
> >>meet Him. The crushing of the Host is something I still regret, but
> >>there is no way for me to undo it. It was how I acted and I can't undo
> it.
> >>
> >>And it is a sign of Eli's eternal mercy that the first time I steped
> >>in to the Keep chapel that Yahshua didn't come off the cross and
> >>beat me. I deserved it. And Nemo had every right to be mad at me.
> >>
> >>Patric especially, though. I wanted to apologize to him almost right
> >>away but it was two weeks before I saw him again. In that time I
> >>managed to annoy two people. The first was Sir Egland, the
> >>second...a very well known vulpine.
> >>
> >>I want to discuss neither of these incidents but I have to. I might
> >>as well start with the first, the time I met Sir Egland. He talked
> >>to me, challenged me and then I vomited on him.
> >
> > This introduction made me laugh a good bit. Ack, lizard vomit
> > awaits! How can I resist! LOL!
> >
> >
> >>March 28th, 707
> >>
> >>The sun slipped into my room from a small window above my bed. I
> >>couldn't remember if the window had been there yesterday, but it was
> >>now. It gave me some badly needed light but it also brought in the cold
> air.
> >>
> >>My tail ached badly even though I was no longer sitting on it. The
> >>tip dragged the ground, so I had to either walk with it up or endure.
> >
> > You're missing a word here: "dragged along the ground" or "dragged
> > across the ground"
> >
> >>"Yeah wait and see." I tied my other foot up. "Perfect!" My feet
> >>were wrapped in linens, held in place by crisscrossing leather
> >>straps. They had grown to twice their previous length. Tying them up
> >>caused my new claws to rub against my toes.
> >>
> >>"What do you think?" I asked my rodent friend. He took one look and
> >>curled into a ball. I rolled my eyes. "Be completely honest, don't
> >>hold anything back." I wrapped my skirt around me, trying still to
> >>hide my tail. This despite its increased length. I might as well
> >>have been trying to hide it with air.
> >
> > And here I thought it was a sarong and not a skirt. The cracks in
> > his invented reality continue to spread!
> >
> >>"This still doesn't feel real..." I had purchased a scarf yesterday,
> >>during a very brief excursion to the Market Square. I felt calmer
> >>wrapping this aba around my neck since it hid the spines. Now only
> >>my head was uncovered.
> >
> > "aba" => "about"
> >
> >>"My hairline is receding." I felt along the top of my skull. Yep, it
> >>was vanishing and fast. My eyebrows had already disappeared. This
> >>curse had taken my home, my way of life, my title and now my hair.
> >>
> >>Truly its evil knew no bounds.
> >
> > Not content with merely everything you knew before, but it also had
> > to go for the hair. The dastardly horror! Most of us have to wait
> > until we're forty for that to start happening. ;-)
> >
> >>"Know what I want to do?" The rat cocked his little head. "I'd like
> >>to go hawking today." I grinned. "There's nothing quite like a day
> >>spent with your hawk. My current one is Ulysses.
> >>
> >>"He's this...red-tailed hawk I've had for almost two years. He
> >>uh...he's great. Just watching him fly" I shook my head, "I could do
> >>it all day. I swear."
> >>
> >>Hawking is the greatest of all the pastimes. Hunting with arrows is
> >>a bloody, violent past time I despise. I've never liked killing, but
> >>when hawking at least the hawk can get a meal out of this.
> >>
> >>When you're hawking you are free. In the field, the wind blowing
> >>through your hair and the hawk screeching as it circles above you,
> >>you are at peace. You can forget your father's obsessive grooming
> >>you to take over for him, your place in an Empire you don't know.
> >>
> >>"I don't think Duke what's his name even knows how to go hawking." I
> >>said. "Who is running this place?" I scratched my head. "Nemo said
> >>he was a horse...nope don't remember.
> >>
> >>"How can Duke Clip-Clop be a ruler and not enjoy hawking? It's
> >>insane." Not as insane as was calling him Duke Clip-Clop to his face.
> >>
> >>Which I did.
> >>
> >>But not for a few months.
> >
> > First off, I love this depiction of hawking. It shows him to be that
> > spoiled Lord's brat and very human at the same time. We see
> > something he enjoys doing, something that makes him feel like
> > himself. This makes it all the more sad that he likely doesn't have
> > his hawk anymore because this is exactly the sort of thing we'd like
> > to see him get the chance to do!
> >
> > And calling Thomas Duke Clip-Clop is actually really funny right now
> > because Thomas is still under the halter's influence and in another
> > month will nearly succumb. If he'd done it now Thomas probably would
> > have reacted with a bemused, faraway grin. Not so much in a few months.
> ;-)
> >
> >>"I need out of this room." I stretched and stood. "I need a whore
> >>very badly. I need a whore, where is the brothel?" I yawned. "God
> >>almighty. Think think, think...oh I know where it is!"
> >>
> >>Yesterday I had heard someone discussing a business somewhere in
> >>Euper. From the name, I knew it had to be a brothel. "It's called
> >>the Jolly Collie inn! How can it not be a brothel?"
> >>
> >>In my defense, that does sound like the name of a brothel.
> >
> > ROTFLMTO!!!!
> >
> >>"I'll find the brothel and then I'll...maybe I'll fuck a dog girl."
> >>I shrugged. "Never done that before. What do you think?" My rat
> >>sniffed curiously. I smiled and stroked his fur.
> >
> > And that touching moment of humanity is flushed away.
> >
> >>"Well you're becoming a lizard-
> >>
> >>"I am not!"
> >
> > Slipping back from Anger to Denial I see.
> >
> >>-And as a lizard you will not be able to handle cold temperatures.
> >>So this" He gestured at the floor, "needs to change. I'd recommend
> >>we go find something, carpeting, thrushes, sand or something else."
> >
> > Thrushes or sand probably fits their budget better. In this age
> > carpeting would still be very expensive.
> >
> >>"Actually no. I'm tired but not bad tired. I just feel peculiar." He
> >>held up his hands. "My skin is less rugose. I wonder, perhaps a
> >>result of this beneficent place?" I rolled my eyes.
> >>
> >>"Can't you just say stuff without me wondering what you're talking
> >>about?" Nemo shrugged.
> >
> > This is why some folks are having trouble knowing who is
> > speaking. You haven't noted who is speaking, but you mention the
> > other person in the narrative description. I recommend trying to
> > make it more obvious who is speaking, by noting what they are doing
> > while they are speaking. Reactions are fine, but when the only
> > person you mention when person A is speaking is person B then things
> > get confusing.
> >
> > I do observe that in other parts of this conversation you do have "I
> > said" show up a few times and that's good. No need to go overkill on
> > it, just keep a wary eye on it.
> >
> >>"And it just...it sucks! I can't fix it! I don't want to fucking be
> >>here! I want to burn this place, this Keep and my fucking tail!"
> >>
> >>"I didn't know you had grown a tail." I cocked my head.
> >>
> >>"Excuse me?" Nemo smiled.
> >>
> >>"I'd like to see you wear fewer rags. I bet your tail looks
> >>magnificent on you." It does look fantastic on me now. Then though
> >>it was a fleshy nuisance wrapped in scales, a reminder of my beastly
> fate.
> >>
> >>"I thought I told you about this..." Nemo shook his head. "Well I
> >>did, I've got a fucking tail and no you can't see it. You wanna see,
> >>grow one of your own." Nemo sighed.
> >
> > This section above here is probably the worst for what I meant. In
> > context I know who is who, but if you didn't, it'd be very easy to
> > think the opposite person is speaking each line and then get confused by
> it.
> >
> >>"I would be so lucky. I suspect I am not though James." He untied
> >>our money bag, at his waste as always, and pulled out a few shiny
> >>coins. Silver I believe maybe a few coppers. "James you need to
> >>learn to prioritize and I need to know I can trust you. I want to
> >>give you this money but I know what you will use it for."
> >
> > "waste" => "waist"
> >
> >>"I admire your bravado. One thing I'm going to purchase today is a
> >>pot. We might need one."
> >>
> >>"Yeah yeah." I stood up. "Look thanks for the money, I won't
> >>disappoint you. Promise."
> >>
> >>And I did intend to keep that promise. I really did. Just...things
> happened.
> >
> > LOL! What a great line to end things on here. Ah, James, we go from
> > feeling sorry for you and wanting to cheer you up to rolling our eyes
> > and wanting to give you a good slap to wake you up. Apart from the
> > few things I noted I think this is going very well, Jack!
> >
> > May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love,
> >
> > Charles Matthias
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > MKGuild mailing list
> > MKGuild at lists.integral.org
> > http://lists.integral.org/listinfo/mkguild
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 12:28:59 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Ryx <sundansyr at yahoo.com>
> To: Metamor Keep <mkguild at lists.integral.org>
> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Trust I
> Message-ID:
>     <824537312.109414.1437222539205.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Same here -
> I got that last one I made a brief comment on, but having perused
> Mattrat's replies I'm a bit more keen on actually giving this work a read!
>
>
>     On Saturday, July 18, 2015 7:06 AM, Bill Kieffer aka Greyflank <
> greyflank at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> This is weird.? I am not getting the postings for Trust at all... only the
> replies.?
> (and yes, I checked the spam filters)
>
>
> -Greyflank
>
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 06:06:07 -0400
> > To: jackthefrilledlizard at yahoo.com; mkguild at lists.integral.org
> > From: jagille3 at vt.edu
> > Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Trust I
> >
> > At 08:57 PM 7/14/2015, Jack Moore wrote:
> >
> >>Trust
> >>
> >>To My Friend in the North
> >>
> >>Yes I know the last letter didn't make me sound good but it wasn't
> >>supposed to. It's something I suspect Eli and I will discuss when I
> >>meet Him. The crushing of the Host is something I still regret, but
> >>there is no way for me to undo it. It was how I acted and I can't undo
> it.
> >>
> >>And it is a sign of Eli's eternal mercy that the first time I steped
> >>in to the Keep chapel that Yahshua didn't come off the cross and
> >>beat me. I deserved it. And Nemo had every right to be mad at me.
> >>
> >>Patric especially, though. I wanted to apologize to him almost right
> >>away but it was two weeks before I saw him again. In that time I
> >>managed to annoy two people. The first was Sir Egland, the
> >>second...a very well known vulpine.
> >>
> >>I want to discuss neither of these incidents but I have to. I might
> >>as well start with the first, the time I met Sir Egland. He talked
> >>to me, challenged me and then I vomited on him.
> >
> > This introduction made me laugh a good bit. Ack, lizard vomit
> > awaits! How can I resist! LOL!
> >
> >
> >>March 28th, 707
> >>
> >>The sun slipped into my room from a small window above my bed. I
> >>couldn't remember if the window had been there yesterday, but it was
> >>now. It gave me some badly needed light but it also brought in the cold
> air.
> >>
> >>My tail ached badly even though I was no longer sitting on it. The
> >>tip dragged the ground, so I had to either walk with it up or endure.
> >
> > You're missing a word here: "dragged along the ground" or "dragged
> > across the ground"
> >
> >>"Yeah wait and see." I tied my other foot up. "Perfect!" My feet
> >>were wrapped in linens, held in place by crisscrossing leather
> >>straps. They had grown to twice their previous length. Tying them up
> >>caused my new claws to rub against my toes.
> >>
> >>"What do you think?" I asked my rodent friend. He took one look and
> >>curled into a ball. I rolled my eyes. "Be completely honest, don't
> >>hold anything back." I wrapped my skirt around me, trying still to
> >>hide my tail. This despite its increased length. I might as well
> >>have been trying to hide it with air.
> >
> > And here I thought it was a sarong and not a skirt. The cracks in
> > his invented reality continue to spread!
> >
> >>"This still doesn't feel real..." I had purchased a scarf yesterday,
> >>during a very brief excursion to the Market Square. I felt calmer
> >>wrapping this aba around my neck since it hid the spines. Now only
> >>my head was uncovered.
> >
> > "aba" => "about"
> >
> >>"My hairline is receding." I felt along the top of my skull. Yep, it
> >>was vanishing and fast. My eyebrows had already disappeared. This
> >>curse had taken my home, my way of life, my title and now my hair.
> >>
> >>Truly its evil knew no bounds.
> >
> > Not content with merely everything you knew before, but it also had
> > to go for the hair. The dastardly horror! Most of us have to wait
> > until we're forty for that to start happening. ;-)
> >
> >>"Know what I want to do?" The rat cocked his little head. "I'd like
> >>to go hawking today." I grinned. "There's nothing quite like a day
> >>spent with your hawk. My current one is Ulysses.
> >>
> >>"He's this...red-tailed hawk I've had for almost two years. He
> >>uh...he's great. Just watching him fly" I shook my head, "I could do
> >>it all day. I swear."
> >>
> >>Hawking is the greatest of all the pastimes. Hunting with arrows is
> >>a bloody, violent past time I despise. I've never liked killing, but
> >>when hawking at least the hawk can get a meal out of this.
> >>
> >>When you're hawking you are free. In the field, the wind blowing
> >>through your hair and the hawk screeching as it circles above you,
> >>you are at peace. You can forget your father's obsessive grooming
> >>you to take over for him, your place in an Empire you don't know.
> >>
> >>"I don't think Duke what's his name even knows how to go hawking." I
> >>said. "Who is running this place?" I scratched my head. "Nemo said
> >>he was a horse...nope don't remember.
> >>
> >>"How can Duke Clip-Clop be a ruler and not enjoy hawking? It's
> >>insane." Not as insane as was calling him Duke Clip-Clop to his face.
> >>
> >>Which I did.
> >>
> >>But not for a few months.
> >
> > First off, I love this depiction of hawking. It shows him to be that
> > spoiled Lord's brat and very human at the same time. We see
> > something he enjoys doing, something that makes him feel like
> > himself. This makes it all the more sad that he likely doesn't have
> > his hawk anymore because this is exactly the sort of thing we'd like
> > to see him get the chance to do!
> >
> > And calling Thomas Duke Clip-Clop is actually really funny right now
> > because Thomas is still under the halter's influence and in another
> > month will nearly succumb. If he'd done it now Thomas probably would
> > have reacted with a bemused, faraway grin. Not so much in a few months.
> ;-)
> >
> >>"I need out of this room." I stretched and stood. "I need a whore
> >>very badly. I need a whore, where is the brothel?" I yawned. "God
> >>almighty. Think think, think...oh I know where it is!"
> >>
> >>Yesterday I had heard someone discussing a business somewhere in
> >>Euper. From the name, I knew it had to be a brothel. "It's called
> >>the Jolly Collie inn! How can it not be a brothel?"
> >>
> >>In my defense, that does sound like the name of a brothel.
> >
> > ROTFLMTO!!!!
> >
> >>"I'll find the brothel and then I'll...maybe I'll fuck a dog girl."
> >>I shrugged. "Never done that before. What do you think?" My rat
> >>sniffed curiously. I smiled and stroked his fur.
> >
> > And that touching moment of humanity is flushed away.
> >
> >>"Well you're becoming a lizard-
> >>
> >>"I am not!"
> >
> > Slipping back from Anger to Denial I see.
> >
> >>-And as a lizard you will not be able to handle cold temperatures.
> >>So this" He gestured at the floor, "needs to change. I'd recommend
> >>we go find something, carpeting, thrushes, sand or something else."
> >
> > Thrushes or sand probably fits their budget better. In this age
> > carpeting would still be very expensive.
> >
> >>"Actually no. I'm tired but not bad tired. I just feel peculiar." He
> >>held up his hands. "My skin is less rugose. I wonder, perhaps a
> >>result of this beneficent place?" I rolled my eyes.
> >>
> >>"Can't you just say stuff without me wondering what you're talking
> >>about?" Nemo shrugged.
> >
> > This is why some folks are having trouble knowing who is
> > speaking. You haven't noted who is speaking, but you mention the
> > other person in the narrative description. I recommend trying to
> > make it more obvious who is speaking, by noting what they are doing
> > while they are speaking. Reactions are fine, but when the only
> > person you mention when person A is speaking is person B then things
> > get confusing.
> >
> > I do observe that in other parts of this conversation you do have "I
> > said" show up a few times and that's good. No need to go overkill on
> > it, just keep a wary eye on it.
> >
> >>"And it just...it sucks! I can't fix it! I don't want to fucking be
> >>here! I want to burn this place, this Keep and my fucking tail!"
> >>
> >>"I didn't know you had grown a tail." I cocked my head.
> >>
> >>"Excuse me?" Nemo smiled.
> >>
> >>"I'd like to see you wear fewer rags. I bet your tail looks
> >>magnificent on you." It does look fantastic on me now. Then though
> >>it was a fleshy nuisance wrapped in scales, a reminder of my beastly
> fate.
> >>
> >>"I thought I told you about this..." Nemo shook his head. "Well I
> >>did, I've got a fucking tail and no you can't see it. You wanna see,
> >>grow one of your own." Nemo sighed.
> >
> > This section above here is probably the worst for what I meant. In
> > context I know who is who, but if you didn't, it'd be very easy to
> > think the opposite person is speaking each line and then get confused by
> it.
> >
> >>"I would be so lucky. I suspect I am not though James." He untied
> >>our money bag, at his waste as always, and pulled out a few shiny
> >>coins. Silver I believe maybe a few coppers. "James you need to
> >>learn to prioritize and I need to know I can trust you. I want to
> >>give you this money but I know what you will use it for."
> >
> > "waste" => "waist"
> >
> >>"I admire your bravado. One thing I'm going to purchase today is a
> >>pot. We might need one."
> >>
> >>"Yeah yeah." I stood up. "Look thanks for the money, I won't
> >>disappoint you. Promise."
> >>
> >>And I did intend to keep that promise. I really did. Just...things
> happened.
> >
> > LOL! What a great line to end things on here. Ah, James, we go from
> > feeling sorry for you and wanting to cheer you up to rolling our eyes
> > and wanting to give you a good slap to wake you up. Apart from the
> > few things I noted I think this is going very well, Jack!
> >
> > May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love,
> >
> > Charles Matthias
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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