Fwd: [Mkguild] The Last Tale of Yajakali - Chapter LXV

[Chris]

*Takes a deep breath!

All right. I see where this is going so I had best stop it right now.


-----Original Message-----
From: mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org
[mailto:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of C. Matthias
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 5:12 AM
To: JL Badgley; Metamor Keep
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Mkguild] The Last Tale of Yajakali - Chapter LXV


>On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Kendo Virmir <kendo.virmir at gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > Metamor has always been about people adjusting to their old lives
with
> > new, oftentimes "wrong" forms.  It doesn't seem right for an entire
> > group to avoid this problem.
> >
>
>I agree... and at the same time, if Eli exists in the MK world, He
>would have the power to do something like this.
>
>I imagine that, just as churches today have to deal with changing
>pressures, that clergy of the MK world will have to deal with it as
>well.  Perhaps not right away--and Eli in His wisdom could perhaps be
>delaying the inevitable to allow His church to get through the current
>crisis.  However, I don't see such protection lasting in perpetuity;
>from a story point of view if only because the consequences of the
>curse in this context would be such a great catalyst to explorer
>facets of human nature, prejudice, tradition, etc.

This is one of those situations where I feel real life politics 
infringes on the Metamor Keep setting.  There have been efforts by 
some in the past to use Metamor Keep as a vehicle to fix what they 
see as problems in modern Christianity.  This really upsets me.

Also, the objections to date raised are raised by people who do not 
understand what a sacrament is, and what it means in this 
context.  The sacramental seal of ordination is gender 
specific.  Having the curse change their gender would be tantamount 
to undoing the sacramental ordination, that is, it would imply that 
the power of the curse is greater than the power of the divine.  I 
think we all can see the illogic in that.



>>>Matt - I think you are reading a little too much into their emails.
The objections being raised to me were originally only about the curse
and that the curse is supposed to be random. And yet they are only being
hit by two parts of the curse.




While I am willing to make some wiggle room for nuns/monks who are 
not fully priests but merely religious, I will not budge one iota 
from this stance when it comes to Ecclesia priests.  There should 
never be any female priests in this setting.  The mere thought of it 
upsets me grievously because it is a vile example of modern people 
trying to fix my faith when it is (in my estimation) they who are 
wrong and not my faith.


>>>Matt as a long time friend - relax. Please. Do not start a debate
over Real Life religion on this List.

The sacrament of ordination binds the one so sealed to Eli and grants 
to them authority to use certain faculties of Eli's power (such as 
many blessings, forgiveness of sins, etc...).  Now, a priest who 
violates that sacramental binding with repeated sin an willful schism 
(denying the dogmas of faith for instance), would have sufficiently 
damaged this sacrmanetal protection that I can see their devilry 
being unmasked by the curse making them a woman.

But faithful priests should not.  And as I said, I'd prefer this 
extent to all religious, but I'm willing to allow exceptions so long 
as my position is understood, respected, and adhered to in this 
regard.  I'm the one who developed the Ecclesia and I'm about the 
only one who has made use of it beyond references to Father Hough.  I 
believe that this decision (which honestly effects only a very small 
class of individuals), while not solely mine to make, should be 
weighted heavily in my favor.


>>>I understand your thinking on that last part. And I will listens to
all sides on this debate fairly.



>>>As the universe controller I am reminding ALL of you to BE NICE and
NOT insert real world problems and controversies into this FANTASY
universe! Religion - even in a fantasy setting is a touchy subject it
seems.


>>>This discussion will be limited to the idea of Nuns, monks and the
like only getting effected by part of the curse. AND NOTHING ELSE!
Anyone wishing to do otherwise will do so in private emails or chats.

>>>There is to be no discussion of Real Life on this list FOR ANY
REASON. That goes for EVERYBODY! NO EXCEPTIONS!


   Christian O'Kane
   Universe Controller

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