Fwd: [Mkguild] The Last Tale of Yajakali - Chapter LXV

[Mark Lowell]

Okay. To the one who said that the priests and nuns wouldn't get the TG
curse. I see your feelings and you're right. The power of divity should be
greater than the Metamor magic. And I'm a Roman Catholic..mainly. The fact
that this is a Fanasty world that we're talking about here makes your
religion kinda mute.

On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Chris <chrisokane at verizon.net> wrote:

>
> *Takes a deep breath!
>
> All right. I see where this is going so I had best stop it right now.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org
> [mailto:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of C. Matthias
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 5:12 AM
> To: JL Badgley; Metamor Keep
> Subject: Re: Fwd: [Mkguild] The Last Tale of Yajakali - Chapter LXV
>
>
> >On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Kendo Virmir <kendo.virmir at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Metamor has always been about people adjusting to their old lives
> with
> > > new, oftentimes "wrong" forms.  It doesn't seem right for an entire
> > > group to avoid this problem.
> > >
> >
> >I agree... and at the same time, if Eli exists in the MK world, He
> >would have the power to do something like this.
> >
> >I imagine that, just as churches today have to deal with changing
> >pressures, that clergy of the MK world will have to deal with it as
> >well.  Perhaps not right away--and Eli in His wisdom could perhaps be
> >delaying the inevitable to allow His church to get through the current
> >crisis.  However, I don't see such protection lasting in perpetuity;
> >from a story point of view if only because the consequences of the
> >curse in this context would be such a great catalyst to explorer
> >facets of human nature, prejudice, tradition, etc.
>
> This is one of those situations where I feel real life politics
> infringes on the Metamor Keep setting.  There have been efforts by
> some in the past to use Metamor Keep as a vehicle to fix what they
> see as problems in modern Christianity.  This really upsets me.
>
> Also, the objections to date raised are raised by people who do not
> understand what a sacrament is, and what it means in this
> context.  The sacramental seal of ordination is gender
> specific.  Having the curse change their gender would be tantamount
> to undoing the sacramental ordination, that is, it would imply that
> the power of the curse is greater than the power of the divine.  I
> think we all can see the illogic in that.
>
>
>
> >>>Matt - I think you are reading a little too much into their emails.
> The objections being raised to me were originally only about the curse
> and that the curse is supposed to be random. And yet they are only being
> hit by two parts of the curse.
>
>
>
>
> While I am willing to make some wiggle room for nuns/monks who are
> not fully priests but merely religious, I will not budge one iota
> from this stance when it comes to Ecclesia priests.  There should
> never be any female priests in this setting.  The mere thought of it
> upsets me grievously because it is a vile example of modern people
> trying to fix my faith when it is (in my estimation) they who are
> wrong and not my faith.
>
>
> >>>Matt as a long time friend - relax. Please. Do not start a debate
> over Real Life religion on this List.
>
> The sacrament of ordination binds the one so sealed to Eli and grants
> to them authority to use certain faculties of Eli's power (such as
> many blessings, forgiveness of sins, etc...).  Now, a priest who
> violates that sacramental binding with repeated sin an willful schism
> (denying the dogmas of faith for instance), would have sufficiently
> damaged this sacrmanetal protection that I can see their devilry
> being unmasked by the curse making them a woman.
>  This is a good idea and I think it works. Can you see Tammy Faye Baker's
> husband becoming a woman because he sleept with another woman?
>



>
> But faithful priests should not.  And as I said, I'd prefer this
> extent to all religious, but I'm willing to allow exceptions so long
> as my position is understood, respected, and adhered to in this
> regard.  I'm the one who developed the Ecclesia and I'm about the
> only one who has made use of it beyond references to Father Hough.  I
> believe that this decision (which honestly effects only a very small
> class of individuals), while not solely mine to make, should be
> weighted heavily in my favor.
>
>
> >>>I understand your thinking on that last part. And I will listens to
> all sides on this debate fairly.
>
>
>
> >>>As the universe controller I am reminding ALL of you to BE NICE and
> NOT insert real world problems and controversies into this FANTASY
> universe! Religion - even in a fantasy setting is a touchy subject it
> seems.
>
>
> >>>This discussion will be limited to the idea of Nuns, monks and the
> like only getting effected by part of the curse. AND NOTHING ELSE!
> Anyone wishing to do otherwise will do so in private emails or chats.
>
> >>>There is to be no discussion of Real Life on this list FOR ANY
> REASON. That goes for EVERYBODY! NO EXCEPTIONS!
>
>
>   Christian O'Kane
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