[Mkguild] MKGuild Digest, Vol 77, Issue 1

[kyle.vernon at gmail.com]

Without Daedric or Dragonic elements, an emblem with entirely new imagery
should be created. Something dark and twisted and sexy.


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:00 AM, <mkguild-request at lists.integral.org> wrote:

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>    1. Re: Nasoj's emblem (Andrew Vineyard)
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> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 20:27:06 -0500
> From: Andrew Vineyard <dimensional42 at gmail.com>
> To: mkguild at lists.integral.org
> Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
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> I'm forwarding this to help with out little discussion.
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> yup
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>     *From:* Andrew Vineyard <dimensional42 at gmail.com>
>     *To:* Ryx <sundansyr at yahoo.com>
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:09 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
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>     Ah. Need someone to forward it to the mailing list?
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>     On 7/30/2013 7:29 PM, Ryx wrote:
> >     No, it did not reply-all from my phone.
> >
> >
> >     Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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> >
> >     -------- Original message --------
> >     From: Andrew Vineyard <dimensional42 at gmail.com>
> >     <mailto:dimensional42 at gmail.com>
> >     Date: 07/30/2013 6:56 PM (GMT-06:00)
> >     To: Ryx <sundansyr at yahoo.com> <mailto:sundansyr at yahoo.com>
> >     Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
> >
> >
> >     Was this sent to the mkguild mail list too? I didn't see it there.
> >
> >     On 7/30/2013 6:13 PM, Ryx wrote:
> >>     Considering dragons are very real in MK, and Nasoj is not
> >>     currently allied with any nor has any in his service adopting a
> >>     dragon on his heraldry might attract undue attention from dragons
> >>     not pleased at his arrogance.
> >>
> >>     I propose something of a different, more mystical, nature.
> >>      Either a wyvern (identifiable as such by the scorpion stinger on
> >>     the tail), or more fantasic still in the form of a three-headed
> >>     chimeric beast similar to griffon heraldry of old.
> >>     Each head would signify a different auspice:  corporeal power,
> >>     divine or infernal power (Ba'al's sole nod on the heraldry), and
> >>     arcane power.  Secondary heraldric symbols might be used as well
> >>     to denote Nasoj's House, which is pretty much that exact symbol
> >>     since whatever the Dark Keep was before his ascension has been
> >>     effectively wiped out entirely.
> >>
> >>     Nasoj would not be foolish enough to put a daedric symbol
> >>     directly on his kingdom's heraldry as that would incur the wrath
> >>     of every other daedric lord and their mortal faithful - such as
> >>     Lom (beholden to Lilith) both outside of his borders as trade
> >>     partners and nominal allies and those powers within who would
> >>     strive to cast ba'al worship down in favor of their god.
> >>     By having that separation Nasoj can play dieific politics much
> >>     more easily.
> >>     It also keeps aedric faithful off of his doorstep... more or less.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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> >>
> >>
> >>     -------- Original message --------
> >>     From: Andrew Vineyard <dimensional42 at gmail.com>
> >>     <mailto:dimensional42 at gmail.com>
> >>     Date: 07/30/2013 5:37 PM (GMT-06:00)
> >>     To: mkguild at lists.integral.org <mailto:mkguild at lists.integral.org>
> >>     Subject: Re: [Mkguild] Nasoj's emblem
> >>
> >>
> >>     Dragons are awesome and cool. Thing is they are a symbol of
> >>     power. Those who use it tend to be those who believe they are all
> >>     powerful. Probably powerful enough to actually command dragons.
> >>     Most of them usually end up learning they aren't all that
> >>     powerful when they meet a dragon in person.
> >>
> >>     The only other time a dragon is used as a symbol is if it's
> >>     bestowed upon you. Usually like a gift from a dragon, saying that
> >>     your allowed to use their image. In short, it's like you've been
> >>     accepted into their family or under their protection. So if they
> >>     allow you, it's a great honor. If you do it yourself, it can be
> >>     seen as an insult to some of them.
> >>
> >>     On 7/30/2013 3:41 PM, Ian Jones wrote:
> >>>     But...  I like dragons.  I know too many nice dragons to throw
> >>>     them in with Nasoj!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Narwhal KillerNarwhal
> >>>     <supernova619 at gmail.com <mailto:supernova619 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>         I could draw it up once somebody decides...
> >>>         On Jul 29, 2013 1:27 PM, "christian okane"
> >>>         <chrisokane at optimum.net <mailto:chrisokane at optimum.net>>
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> >>>             Did we ever give Nasoj an emblem or heraldic device?
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