[Mkguild] possible MK banner/logo

[christian okane]

Comments?

 

From: mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org
[mailto:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of christian okane
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 12:16 AM
To: 'Alex Green'
Cc: 'C. Matthias'; mkguild at lists.integral.org
Subject: Re: [Mkguild] possible MK banner/logo

 

Ok. So it gets more confusing instead of clearer. BUT A long time ago I
actually chatted with the real Thomas Hassan about what Duke Thomas'
heraldry was. He gave the following answer A Red Rearing horse on a black
background. He deliberately chose something like  the Ferrari car emblem for
the Duke. And I have been hating him for that ever since. But Hassan is long
gone from MK and I am willing to listen to the people who care about MK -
which is us.

 

 

Chris

The Lurking Foxc

 

 

From: mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org
[mailto:mkguild-bounces at lists.integral.org] On Behalf Of Alex Green
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:51 PM
Cc: mkguild at lists.integral.org; christian okane; C. Matthias
Subject: Re: [Mkguild] possible MK banner/logo

 

Those are some good suggestions. However there is one point that I must
disagree with you on:

 


The adoption of the horse heraldry is new, chosen after the Curse.  Previous
to that it could've been anything (I know little of the Hassan house
history; griffon or drake would seem likely).

 

The have been a couple stories that indicate the horse has always been a
part of the Hassan family heraldry.  

 

This sentence from "Lots" shows how Thomas thinks about being changed to
match his heraldry

 


The tablecloth was laced with golden thread, and an artistic blending of the
Hassan horse heraldry – he’d always found that terribly ironic after the
curse changed him – and the fields and flowers of the valley. 

 

And in this scene from "Landing in a New Age", Andwyn finds it strange that
Dupré would end up a ram like his family's symbol till Thomas points out the
same thing happened to him.  Malisa goes on to say that it's still a very
rare circumstance.  

  

“It would be very unusual for the Curse to strike in so coincidental a
fashion,” Andwyn mused quietly.

 

“It happened to me,” Thomas pointed out. “The Hassan coat of arms has always
featured a rearing horse.”

 

“But not to any of your other vassals,” Malisa pointed out. “Perhaps this is
a sign to us as well as to him. If he is truly changed to reflect his
family’s sigil, then he may be meant to stay here and serve you.”

 

I missed the above reference to a rearing horse in my previous search, so it
would seem that Matt originally used a rearing horse as the symbol and only
later started describing it as a horse-head.  

 

-AlexSurikat

 

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Ryx <sundansyr at yahoo.com> wrote:

Let's try this:

The banner of Metamor itself, alone, not withstanding of the ruling House is
a castle of three towers, below each a gate.  Gray on green (castle stone,
valley green).  The shape of the banner itself is up to the tailor making
it.

 

Duke Thomas' banner is a stallion (or just horse) rampant dexter (rearing,
facing right) with a bend sinister (bar, crossing opposite the rampant
dexter).  The banner itself is blue (for House Hassan), the horse typically
red (for his Knighthood), but when placed on the banner of Metamor the horse
may be blue.  The top of either banner would have crenelations or 'embattled
line' to indicate the fortress nature of Metamor.  The remeberance of the
Tree Gates may be included below the horse by some symbology on more complex
banners.  Usually just three free-standing castle-style arched portals at
the feet of the horse, or slightly behind denoting that the Horse, and House
Hassan, holds the Keep.

 

Historically blue meant Truth and Loyalty, and red Martial arms.  Since
Thomas rules over a peaceful kingdom over a conquesting one blue would be a
more appropriate color.  (http://www.oshel.com/symbols.htm)

 

 

The adoption of the horse heraldry is new, chosen after the Curse.  Previous
to that it could've been anything (I know little of the Hassan house
history; griffon or drake would seem likely).

 


  _____  


From: Alex Green <alexsurikat at gmail.com>
To: C. Matthias <jagille3 at vt.edu> 
Cc: christian okane <chrisokane at optimum.net>; "mkguild at lists.integral.org"
<mkguild at lists.integral.org> 
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:34 PM


Subject: Re: [Mkguild] possible MK banner/logo

 

After searching through the archives for a while, I was surprised to find
that there aren't very many descriptions of the banner of Metamor.  

 

I found the most complete description at the bottom of the third page of
Misha's "Plain and Simple"

 

Thomas looked to the top of the ruined tower and noticed the flag fluttering
in the breeze. It was a black flag with a red rearing horse on it. It was
the flag of the House Hassan, Duke of Metamor, King of the Midland, his own
banner.

 

LurkingWolf's "Burning Time" also mention a rearing horse on the flag but
neglects to mention the colors

 

It appears Matt is the only one who's described it as a horse-head in both
"Gazing through a Barred Window" and "Healing Wounds in Arabarb", but I
didn't see any mention of colors from him either.  

 

Raven didn't mention what was on the flag, but he had a different idea about
the colors of Metamor in "A Presence of Thieves"

 

"That isn't the Duke's banner," he said, frowning up at the yellow flags
flapping in the breeze. "Metamor's colors are blue and white. Why would they
be flying yellow flags?"

 

Matt confirms that blue is a customary color of the Hassan family in the
first interlude of "The Last Tale of Yajakali" with several mentions of
"Hassan Blue" but never actually states whether it's the color of the banner
or not.  (By the way, I just noticed that the title at the top of every page
of LOTY has Yajakali spelled wrong as "Yajikali")

 

The wiki unsurprisingly agrees with Misha since he's the one who added that
information on the "Knights of the Red Stallion" page on the 16th of January
2007 (it specifically says that their emblem is the same as the Duke's).  He
also added the emblem information to the Duke's page earlier this month.  

 

That is all of the information I could find relating to the
flag/banner/emblem of the House of Hassan/Metamor Keep, so it seems the it
is a red/blue rearing-stallion/horse-head on a black/white background.  I
never noticed how inconsistent its description was before.  

 

-AlexSurikat

 

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:00 AM, C. Matthias <jagille3 at vt.edu> wrote:

At 03:40 AM 2/21/2013, christian okane wrote:

That is a nice looking emblem but one small problem. The Horse in the emblem
has always been red.

Chris
The Lurking Fox

 

The only reference to red in the emblem that I am aware of comes from the
knightly order "Order of the Red Stallion".  Please provide other official
references (Wiki entries do not count).



May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love,

Charles Matthias 

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